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== Agenda for meeting 2011-02-15 ==
 * Template and README for other projects to pull from
 * Layout issues
   * RTL(right to left writing) problem in the design
   * Planet doesn't work well with min font size settings, feedlist overlaps entry texts (acessibility bug for visual handicaped people)
   * Language switch improvement
   * http://www.debian.org/misc/awards got a bit ugly (maybe due to usage of tables)
   * BRs
     
   ''On www.d.o'':
       * DebianBug:612138 '''i''', (Old translation warning hides text in the new style)
       * DebianBug:612118 '''n''', "/distrib/ should link to multi-arch image rather than separate 32-bit and 64-bit images"
       * DebianBug:612120 '''n''', "/releases/squeeze kfreebsd-amd64 should link to /ports/kfreebsd-gnu" [needed a 301 or a 200: symoon already on it, he said he want to discuss with DSA about the best way to fix]
       * DebianBug:612152 '''n''', "main page in russian: wrong word wrapping" [I've checked when reported and now again: it seems that the utf-8 conversion has fixed it. maybe we can ask l10n-russian to further check - for other pages]
       * DebianBug:612442 '''n''', "limit maximum width of text"
       * DebianBug:612208 '''m''', "review of the new website style": some minor issues/suggestions (IMVHO needs to be considered: at least the gradient thing and the alignment one)
       * DebianBug:612244 '''m''', "Home banner kerning wonky"
       * DebianBug:612577 '''m''', "history/navigation bar always lowercase" [symoon on it, but I haven't understand if it is resolved or not :)] (IMO needs to be cloned into wiki.d.o: is an issue for wiki but not for www.d.o)
       * DebianBug:612447 '''w''', "Home button and menu line doesn't look good with line break on small windows"
       * DebianBug:612116 '''w''', "/CD/ should now redirect to the new /distrib/" 		== A list of TODO items - now in a particular order ==
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   ''On planet.d.n'':
       * DebianBug:612444 '''m''', [planet.d.o] "people names on planet hard to read" [Kalle on it]		 /!\ Please note that '''this is not a wish list'''! Use the [[https://www.debian.org/Bugs/|bug tracking system]] to report them.
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   ''On packages.d.o'':
       * DebianBug:612468 '''m''', [packages.d.o] "minor issues with the new theme" [symoon already resolved most of it]
       * DebianBug:612772 '''m''', [packages.d.o] "footer overlaps with right sidebar links"
        
 * Work on "Layout Problems" logfiles
 * Further apache.conf tweaks? (zobel/symoon)
 * Using usertagging as default view for bugs.d.o/www.d.o?
 * UTF-8 conversion (taffit/MadameZou see DebianBug:567781)
 * DebCamp work session - What to do? [[http://lists.debian.org/20110118141137.GQ8676@ftbfs.de|Initial proposal]]		 Please check also the [[https://www.debian.org/devel/website/todo|website]] and [[Teams/Webmaster/meetings|past meetings minutes]] for more TODO lists.
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Minutes of the meeting: [[http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-www/2011/debian-www.2011-02-15-21.30.html|summary]], [[http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-www/2011/debian-www.2011-02-15-21.30.log.html|full log]].
-----		 === About new layout ===
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== A list of TODO items - not in a particular order == ==== Feedback ====
Via '''Mailing list''':
 * "Text columns should not be too wide. If they are, the eye loses orientation and the text gets more unpleasant to read. I've found the following guidelines: 60-80 characters or 10-12 words (in english texts) or 30-35em. https://www.elmastudio.de/webdesign/typo-tipps-fuer-webdesigner-fliesstexte-gestalten https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00076.html
 * You could put the news and security advisors on the frontpage in a column on the right and thus making the main text narrower. https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00076.html
 * again, for 60-80 characters tw column another user https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00079.html
 * Proposed 13px as absolute minimum font-size https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00076.html
 * too small font-size for the #hometoc and also for Icons text on wiki start page (on 1600x900 laptop screen) while the normal text is ok https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00085.html
 * there are not cross link from www.d.o to wiki.d.o and back https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00085.html
 * behind the Debian logo on the left (of the header) the background's fade effect isn't the same and seems broken. It would be nicer with the same fade colours of the central headers. https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00091.html
 * too much scrolling: less information per page and more pages or maybe better navigation tools https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00202.html --> more TOCS menu automatically, similar to what taffit did for DPN ?
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 * process feedback and get constructive/real remarks from it: http://lists.debian.org/201102060736.24648.thomas@koch.ro http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00085.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00091.html http://lists.debian.org/201102082002.14245.alan.braslau@cea.fr Bug:612208 Bug:612244 Bug:612444   ==== www.d.o ====
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 * make http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ more compact (like CD/vendors, need mirror_list.pl tweak, and sorting the user country first)
 * inter-sites links under the red button ? (symoon solution does work with CSS2 browsers, not IE7..)
 * which compatibility against web browsers are we looking for ? IE7 ? Default epiphany with small min font size ?
 * get all apache logs to a central location and run statistics over it
 * check the vendors list: english/CD/vendors/testvendors.pl seems a script to do this job (thanks Tolimar for this hint!)
 * taffit suggested to contact /users/ to check if they still use Debian
 * improve /intro/help section reorganizing contents on how to contribute per-profile (see DebianBug:608400)
 * website <-> wiki relation. Which data comes where?		  * make https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ more compact (like CD/vendors, need mirror_list.pl tweak, and sorting the user country first) (DebianBug:706324)
 * inter-sites links under the red button ? (symoon solution does work with CSS2 browsers, not IE7.. maybe not that much a problem ?)
 * which compatibility against web browsers are we looking for ? IE7 ? Default epiphany with small min font size?
 * there is a scaling issue on the front page when Iceweasel is set to "Zoom Text Only", the RSS buttons push the design so that a horizontal scroll bar appears. the issue appears to be that they are set to strictly 35px wide, instead of whatever size they need to be. turning off the width doesn't appear to have any adverse affects. I wonder if the line-height should be px too
==== Planet ====
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 * review and update doc/books entries (Tolimar volunteers for that and has already some preparations)
 * there is a scaling issue on the front page when Iceweasel is set to "Zoom Text Only", the RSS buttons push the design so that a horizontal scroll bar appears. the issue appears to be that they are set to strictly 35px wide, instead of whatever size they need to be. turning off the width doesn't appear to have any adverse affects. I wonder if the line-height should be px too		  * DebianBug:612444

==== Lists ====
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 * set a specific road map for ''/doc/'' area:
    * apply kallesdesign also for Dev ref, Installation Manual, release notes, Debian FAQ (see: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00112.html)
    * split data and content in the ''/doc/'' area [madamezou]
    * apply content changes proposed by osamu (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00094.html)
 * check vendors listed in ''/distrib/pre-installed'' [madamezou]: the plan is
    * visit sites to check if vendor still sell PCs with Debian pre-installed, if not or if in doubt
    * send a mail asking if they still do, saying that if there will not be response after 10 days we will remove them.
 
/!\ Please note that '''this is not a wish list'''! 		 * https://lists.debian.org/archive-spam-removals/review/ broken

=== Reviving site's areas ===
 * improve '''/intro/help''' section reorganizing contents on how to contribute per-profile (see DebianBug:608400)
 * review and update '''doc/books''' entries
 * set a specific road map for '''/doc/''' area:
  * apply kallesdesign also for Dev ref, Installation Manual, release notes, Debian FAQ (see: https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00112.html)
  * split data and content in the ''/doc/'' area [madamezou] → (done for books.wml)
   * order language in translation's locale
  * apply content changes proposed by osamu (see https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/02/msg00094.html)
 * get rid of '''/misc/'''
  * '''/misc/merchandise''' should go in '''/events/'''
  * '''/misc/children-distros''' should go in '''/derivatives'''
 * Merge the '''/CD/''' and '''/distrib/''' part of the website, following up on DebianBug:612116 or in a specific wiki page welcome
 * split data and content in '''/partners/''' section
 * Use an UDD-like database to produce '''/devel/people'''

=== Misc ===

 * get all apache logs to a central location and run statistics over it
 * website <-> wiki relation. Which data comes where?

Translation(s): none

A list of TODO items - now in a particular order

/!\ Please note that this is not a wish list! Use the bug tracking system to report them.

Please check also the website and past meetings minutes for more TODO lists.

About new layout

Feedback

Via Mailing list:

www.d.o

  • Use Javascripts from get.debian.net to select/highlight the arch matching the visitor

  • make https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ more compact (like CD/vendors, need mirror_list.pl tweak, and sorting the user country first) (706324)

  • inter-sites links under the red button ? (symoon solution does work with CSS2 browsers, not IE7.. maybe not that much a problem ?)
  • which compatibility against web browsers are we looking for ? IE7 ? Default epiphany with small min font size?
  • there is a scaling issue on the front page when Iceweasel is set to "Zoom Text Only", the RSS buttons push the design so that a horizontal scroll bar appears. the issue appears to be that they are set to strictly 35px wide, instead of whatever size they need to be. turning off the width doesn't appear to have any adverse affects. I wonder if the line-height should be px too

Planet

  • red PLANET bit on planet.d.o/es needs to link back to the main page
  • planet.d.o/cgi-bin/search.cgi is completely unstyled

  • 612444

Lists

Reviving site's areas

  • improve /intro/help section reorganizing contents on how to contribute per-profile (see 608400)

  • review and update doc/books entries

  • set a specific road map for /doc/ area:

  • get rid of /misc/

    • /misc/merchandise should go in /events/

    • /misc/children-distros should go in /derivatives

  • Merge the /CD/ and /distrib/ part of the website, following up on 612116 or in a specific wiki page welcome

  • split data and content in /partners/ section

  • Use an UDD-like database to produce /devel/people

Misc

  • get all apache logs to a central location and run statistics over it

  • website <-> wiki relation. Which data comes where?