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Debian Wiki
Are you Mad at me ? If you got mad because of some "clean-up" i have made, please :
Undo and do how you feel it would be the best for wiki.debian.org.
Forgive me. I am not doing it because it's funny (trust me, it isn't funny to spend hours removing or merging pages). I'am not willing to bother people (I know that some people spent quite some time writing those pages).
- Read more below to understand why i am doing this.
Some ideas about what Debian Wiki is :
Focus on what's useful to Debian - is the page useful ? is the page related to debian ?
Some ideas about what Debian Wiki isn't:
wiki.d.o isn't www.debian.org/doc/ - avoid duplicating the official documentation
wiki.d.o isn't packages.debian.org - don't just duplicate package description and meta-data here.
wiki.d.o isn't a manpages repository. - don't just duplicate a manpage here
wiki.d.o isn't wikipedia - link to wikipedia, rather duplicating content here (especially for non-debian specific)
wiki.d.o isn't dictionary - don't create a page to merely define a term. link to online dictionary if needed.
wiki.d.o isn't jargon file - same as dictionnay and wikipedia above.
Some best practice for wiki editors :
less is more : Perfection is not when there is nothing to add, but when there is nothing to remove. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery). To put it another way, Once you have finished to write a page, it's time to consider to make it shorter
- Obsolete content should be 1)Updated 2) Deleted ... or exceptionally, 3)Preserved for Historical purposed (and marked as such).
- Subscribe to the page you are interested in.
- recommend the use of proper terms (X11, XWindow and Xorg aren't interchangeable words..)
Use of InterWiki (DebPkg: bug: WikiPedia: )
Pages linked from "outside" the wiki should be tagged with CategoryPermalink
Use of GetVal" macro (for Gnome Menu translation, current package & kernel stable version, package description,etc...). see HelpOnMacros
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Many wiki page contains merely a few words or links, often, not related to Debian at all.
Merge duplicate pages : The older debian wiki (on debian.net?) had a different structure (mostly based around ?DebianWikiTopics). That content was never merged with the newer "FrontPage" layout. people have created new pages from scratch.
- fix broken links
see WantedPages
- wiki.debian.net migration : ask webmasters to update their links to *.org
then : use a search engines for external broken links, like [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22This+page+does+not+exist+yet.+You+can+create+a+new+empty+page%22+site%3Awiki.debian.org ?p="This+page+does+not+exist+yet"+site=wiki.debian.org]
Less discussion, More Action : There are probably hundreds of pages to remove. There are also tens of major/important pages to merge... I am not planing to have endless discussions on what should be done for a particular page : I just cleaning-up similar page (i.e remove what i consider useless, quickly merge). Such discussion are still useful to improve the content of some pages. ?BR If someone can (and want) to spend some time on a specific page, he/she is welcome.
My log
- 2007-10-07
["DebianWiki"] pages started.?BR add GUI to HowToIdentifyADevice/* (thanks to SalokineTerata) ?BR ?DebianWiki/WikiVote page started.
- 2007-09-30
ModuleAssistant / major improvements.
- 2007-09-27
DebianReleases "child" pages are completed (good enough for now, at least).
- 2007-09-18
Howto make a ["ScreenShots"] page.
- 2007-09-16
improve and add links to talks for DebConf*
- 2007-09-08
- converted wiki.debian.net links to wiki.debian.org.
- 2007-09-07
cleanup old ?RemoteWikiLinks (DebianPackage, ?DebianPts, ?DebianPackages, bts )
- 2007-08-14
?InstallingEtchStepByStep project started.
- 2007-08-14
- Glossary started.
I stop updating my log, i think you have the idea : I intend to cleanup wiki.d.o !
- 2007-08-08
what about wiki-pages for packages ? looks like duplicate with packages.debian.org to me. (see ?MetaPackages in http://wiki.debian.org/nanos?action=recall&rev=1 )
- 2007-08-07
Merged "From Windows To Debian" and FromWindowsToDebian (plus related cleanup) ?BR Merged *X_Window_System* ?BR Merged *WindowManager* ?BR Merged *Desktop environment*
- 2007-08-06
Prepare the merged ?DotNetFrontPage, ?OldFrontPage to FrontPage
- 2007-08-06
- Major cleanup around "Debian Enterprise" pages.
- 2007-08-05
- 2007-08-05
InterWiki Migration : Cleaning-up "RemoteWikiURL" links from old wiki.d.o (based on kwiki). ?BR RemoteWikiURL were used in http://zwiki.org/ to declare others wiki. (many wiki pages were needed in thoses zwiki days.. deprecated today)
- 2007-06-05
- HowToIdentifyADevice pages started
- 2007-05-28
- Installing_Debian_On project started.
My ToDo
Various pages require some work / cleanup :
kernel pages : *Kernel* ; LinuxKernel ; *BSD* coreutils - Merge with BashCommands, PrincipalCommands - ConsoleSurvival <=> Console - See Debian's qref DebianWikiTopics <=> FrontPage ? DealingWithSpam PlanningYourSystem?action=recall&rev=4 => * FluxBox : merge DebianFluxbox and FluxBox* PackageManagement InstallPackageHelp,PackageInstallTips,DebianPackage,apt-get,AptGet /Reinstall PkgRm, CompleteRemove About / HelpForBeginners <= merge w/ NewBoot <= ReadmeFirst <= WikiMeta <= ToDo + HelpWanted Merge : DebianNeo, Neo, Newbie, newbie, NewBoot, NewbieDocProject + UsefulLinux Merge : "From Windows To Debian" + WindowsEquivalent + WinAppEquivalents UTF-8 update status. For Users For Windows users For BSD & Linux users InstallationHelp => Merge w/ DebianInstall FrontPage <= merge or link DebianRessources DistUpgradeIssues (UnofficialSargeReleaseIssues) what about Etch ? (Xorg ; Apache...) EtchTODOList close! DebianDeveloper + DebianUser Tips and Tricks
-- SalokineTerata ?DateTime(2007-11-09T00:44:22Z) Aïe aïe aïe j'étais en plein sur la page DebianWiki. J'ai regardé l'historique de tes modif. Effectivement, il y a beaucou p de page déjà incluse dans d'autre. Mais l'objet du portail en de lister (mise à plat) des liens pour montrer une cartographie de l'existant. Ensuite, effectivement, il faut bien "connecter" les pages. Pour l'instant, j'ai terminé cette énumération. En ce moment j'était entrain de fusionner ces liens avec ceux déjà présent sur DebianWiki pour être sûr que nous n'avions rien oublié. Enfin, j'étais entrain d'extraire les contenus de DebianWiki pour n'en faire plus qu'un portail. Enfin, je souhaitais attaqué de la travail de simplication et de compactage pour n'obtenir plus d'un seul et unique sommaire sous forme de tablleau comme tu l'avais commencé.
Je pense que la il faut revenir à la version 34. Juste je termine te tout rassembler, et après on peut simplifer. Qu'en penses-tu ?
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