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| #format wiki #language en ||<tablestyle="border:0;float:right" style="border:0">[[http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/|{{http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/media/ssp-300-250.gif|alt=I'm going to Fosdem9|width=320 height=250}}]]|| ||<tablestyle="width: 100%;border: 0px hidden" style="border: 0px hidden;text-align:right">Email ||<style="border: 0px hidden"> [[mailto:fpiat@klabs.be?subject=DEBIAN_WIKI:|fpiat@klabs.be]] (put DEBIAN_WIKI in the subject.) ||<|4 style="border: 0px hidden">|| ## [[ImageLink(http://www.fosdem.org/2009/promo/going-to,http://www.fosdem.org/2009/,width=150,height=89,alt=I'm going to Fosdem9)]] ||<style="border: 0px hidden;text-align:right">Irc ||<style="border: 0px hidden"> franklin on [[irc://irc.debian.org/#debian|irc.debian.org/#debian]] (I'm not often connected) || ||<style="border: 0px hidden;text-align:right">Homepage ||<style="border: 0px hidden"> http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/ || ||<style="border: 0px hidden;text-align:right">Location ||<style="border: 0px hidden"> Near Paris, France (''was'' near Lille) || ||<style="border: 0px hidden;text-align:right">My Packages ||<style="border: 0px hidden"> [[http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=fpiat@klabs.be+fpiat@bigfoot.com|qa.debian.org]] || <<TableOfContents(3)>> === Debian Wiki === . X-( '''Are you Mad at me ?''' If you got mad because of some "clean-up" i have made, please : 1. '''Undo''' and do how you feel it would be the best for wiki.debian.org. 1. '''Forgive me.''' I am not doing it because it's funny (trust me, it isn't funny to spend hours removing or merging pages). I'am not willing to bother people (I know that some people spent quite some time writing those pages). 1. Read more below to understand why i am doing this. ''Some ideas about what Debian Wiki '''is''' :'' * Focus on what's useful to Debian - ~-''is the page useful ? is the page related to debian ?''-~ ''Some ideas about what Debian Wiki '''isn't''':'' * wiki.d.o isn't www.debian.org/doc/ - ~-''avoid duplicating the official documentation''-~ * wiki.d.o isn't packages.debian.org - ~-''don't just duplicate package description and meta-data here.''-~ * wiki.d.o isn't a manpages repository. - ~-''don't just duplicate a manpage here''-~ * wiki.d.o isn't wikipedia - ~-''link to wikipedia, rather duplicating content here (especially for non-debian specific)''-~ * wiki.d.o isn't dictionary - ~-''don't create a page to merely define a term. link to online dictionary if needed.''-~ * wiki.d.o isn't jargon file - ~-''same as dictionary and wikipedia above.''-~ Some best practice for wiki editors : * less is more : ''Perfection is not when there is nothing to add, but when there is nothing to remove.'' (Antoine de Saint-Exupery). To put it another way, Once you have finished to write a page, it's time to consider to make it shorter * Obsolete content should be 1)Updated 2) Deleted ... or exceptionally, 3)Preserved for Historical purposed (and marked as such). note: ''oldstable'' isn't obsolete content, it IS current. * Subscribe to the page you are interested in. * recommend the use of proper terms (X11, XWindow and Xorg aren't interchangeable words..) <<Anchor(hints)>> === Hints and tips === Here's the top ten things I do on a system (user preferences): * Edit ~/.bashrc * Enable {{{export LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' ; eval "`dircolors`" ; alias ls='ls $LS_OPTIONS'}}} * Enable shell completion, by appending {{{source /etc/bash_completion}}} * Install DebPkg:vim, then enable some options in {{{/etc/vim/vimrc}}} (especially {{{set incsearch}}}, {{{syntax on}}}, and {{{set showmatch}}}. see my [[attachment:.vimrc]]). * Install DebPkg:mc, DebPkg:screen, DebPkg:tree, DebPkg:xnest, DebPkg:fast-user-switch-applet, DebPkg:iotop, DebPkg:htop * Enable {{{default saved}}} in {{{/boot/grub/menu.lst}}} * Install some mozilla's : [[http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/|web-developer]] and some system hints * DebPkg:iotop, DebPkg:powertop <<Anchor(log)>> === My log on the Wiki === Here's a very incomplete log of my activities on this wiki : 2008-06-07 :: Ask improvements to manpages.debian.net (supporting manpages names with dash, plus an points). <<BR>>Then update all pages to use !DebianMan Interwiki link. 2009-04-18 :: Cleanup Category``Homepage pages (ensure homepage match the wiki-account's name). ~30 pages. : Cleanup obsolete/oudated pages + fix links . ~100 pages. 2009-04-10 :: Create [[HowTo/ChangeHostname]] :: Migrate Grub/*.manpage to upstream. 2009-03-26 :: Wiki was upgraded. Fix {{{{ {{{#!/bin/sh }}}} of ~30 pages. 2009-03-21 :: Wiki was upgraded. Update Debian "official material" banner of ~70 pages. :: Wiki was upgraded. Fix embedded images. 2009-03-20 :: Banner for non-free software, like [[skype]] and [[Opera]]. :: Wiki was upgraded. Drop old moinmoin Spanish help pages. :: Wiki was upgraded. Update Debian "official material" banner of ~50 pages. 2003-03-19 :: Initial [[DebianWiki/MigratedToMoinmoin17]] page. 2009-03-18 :: Initial [[Teams/DebianWiki]] page. 2009-03-17 :: Wiki was upgraded. Fix !TableOfContent of ~50 pages 2009-03-16 :: Wiki was upgraded. Adapt some [[MoinMoin/GeneratePdf]] 2009-02- :: Add framebuffer to [[ScreenShots]]. 2009-02-14 :: Major rewrite of [[Java]]. 2009-02-08 :: Update supported devices on Lenny 2009-02-06 :: Update pages for Lenny. [[DeviceDatabase/USB]], [[DeviceDatabase/PCI]], [[DevFAQ]], [[HowToIdentifyADevice/USB]], 2009-01-25 :: Minor cleanup of PPP, pppd, wvdial, ifconfig, DialupConf and related pages. 2009-01-24 :: Major improvements of [[hal]] 2009-01-23 :: Create [[InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/lenny]] :: Create [[InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint]] 2009-01-17 :: Cleanup (Category``Proposed``Deletion). 2009-01-17 :: Proposing a structure for CategoryProprietarySoftware (on [[http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2009/01/msg00135.html|debian-www]]). 2009-01-15 :: [[http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/01/msg00335.html|testing-proposed-updates]] patch to fix Bug:510012 . 2009-01-12 :: research to embed images.. which lad to [[DebianWiki/EditorGuide#screenshots|DebianWiki/EditorGuide#screenshots]] 2009-01-12 :: [[http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/01/msg00288.html|stable-proposed-updates]] to fix Bug:511416 and Bug:504562 2009-01-11 :: Create [[DiscussionsAfterLenny/Sections]]. 2009-01-01 :: Major rewrite of [[WindowsEquivalent]]. 2009-01-08 :: Major rewrite of [[tasksel]], [[Gnome]] and [[KDE]] 2009-01-06 :: [[http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/hardware/modinfo-devnames/|modinfo-devnames]] script to list supported devices. 2009-01-04 :: New wiki maintenance/monitoring scripts. 2009-01-04 :: Cleanup old discussions pages 2009-01-04 :: Start preparing [[MigrationStatus| Migration to Lenny's moin 1.7]]. 2009-01-03 :: New [[VersionControlSystem]], and celanup/rewrite/refactor related pages ([[git]], [[SVN]]...) 2008-12-14 :: [[DebConf9]] dates are confirmed 2008-12-04 :: Major rewrite of [[EtchAndAHalf]]. 2008-11-25 :: Create [[DebianWiki/History]]. 2008-11-01 :: Cleanup 2008-08-05 ~ 2008-10-24. 2008-10-29 :: Create [[Firmware]] page. 2008-10-28 :: Create [[WiFi/HowToUse]] page. 2008-10-19 :: Create [[InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T60/lenny]] page. 2008-10-19 :: Create [[Kernel/Oops]] page. 2008-09-13 :: Clean-up dozens of pages related to the kernel. 2008-09-13 :: Create/Refactor [[Modules]] page. 2008-09-01 :: create [[Schedule]] page. 2008-09-01 :: Create [[NewInSqueeze]] 2008-08-25 :: Cleanup lots of dummy pages related to packaging. 2008-07-16 :: [[Rsyslog]] start user point of view. 2008-07-15 :: create [[keyring.debian.org]] (page). 2008-07-14 :: Templates page cleanup (delete, sync, align to policy...). :: Cleanup virtualisation pages ([[SystemVirtualization]], [[QEMU]], [[VirtualBox]], [[Win4Lin]], [[VMware]], [[LinuxVserver]]) 2008-07-13 :: Create Windows Server Hyper V :: Update [[InstallingDebianOn/VMs/MicrosoftVirtualPc2007/etch]] 2008-07-06 :: cleanup [[FrontPage]]s (fix links...) 2008-06-27 :: create [[AptProtocol]] 2008-06-24 :: create [[MoinMoin/GeneratePdf]] 2008-06-22 :: (re-)create [[NewInEtch]] 2008-06-17 :: add Debian Installer GUI [[ScreenShots#debian-instsaller-gui|ScreenShots]] 2008-06-03 :: create/reorganiseg [[M68k|M68k/*]] page (see [[http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2008/06/msg00001.html]] debian-68k) 2008-05-31 :: create [[LennyReleaseRecertificationSummary]]. 2008-05-19 :: Improve [[DebianLive/HowTo/SmallSizeImage]]. 2008-05-12 :: create [[sky2]] module page. 2008-05-07 :: create [[pkg/README.DebianHeader]], [[pkg/README.DebianTemplate]] 2008-05-06 :: Update [[DeviceDatabase/USB]], and [[DeviceDatabase/PCI]] 2008-05-05 :: Improve [[ModulesAll]] (actually list all modules ! ). 2008-05-03 :: create [[Tftp]] page. 2008-05-01 :: multiple [[NewInLenny]] contributions. 2008-04-18 :: create [[Hibernation]] page. 2008-04-05 :: create [[StableProposedUpdates]] 2008-04-06 :: create ''[[Linda]] is gone'' page. + cleanup references to linda. 2008-02-27 :: The very old, and very duplicate wiki structure "!DebianWikiTopics" is now gone. Champagne ! 2008-02-26 :: Migrate DebConf/* pages to wiki.debconf.org. 2008-02-22 :: [[DebianHosting/Dedibox]] 2008-02-22 :: Migrate !DebianWiki/* Discussion to debian-www mailing list. 2008-02-22 :: [[DebianHosting/Ovh/RPS]] 2008-01-27 :: Ask improvements to manpages.debian.net (supporting, http://manpages.debian.net/man/1/bash syntax ) 2008-01-27 :: create [[DEHS]]. 2008-01-23 :: create [[Grub/Grub2]] pages. 2008-01-13 :: create [[Grub/SplashImage]] 2008-01-13 :: ModulesAll, major improvement. 2008-01-10 :: '07 Q4 cleanup. 2008-01-07 :: create [[DebianWiki/Browsing]]. 2007-12-30 :: create [[Opera]]. 2007-12-16 :: create [[DeviceDatabase/USB]], [[DeviceDatabase/PCI]] 2007-12-15 :: create [[ipw2200]] 2007-12-14 :: rewrite [[LSB]] 2007-11-24 :: create DebianWiki/TranslationNamespace. 2007-11-21 :: InstallingDebianOn : Let me write here what I think about my DebianOn initiative on this wiki (since DebConf7, and I talked to Petter Reinholdtsen +talk<<FootNote(hardware detection options and solutions)>> : It's ''broken by design'' : It should be in a database ! (i.e query''able'' ; statistics ; __much__ easier to report with an assistant, etc.) 2007-11-17 :: create [[iwlwifi]] 2007-11-10 :: create DebianLive/HowTo/SmallSizeImage 2007-11-01 :: create [[iSCSI]], [[iSCSI/iscsitarget]], [[iSCSI/open-iscsi]] pages 2007-10-31 :: create CategoryPermalink, then tagging many pages. 2007-10-23 :: create [[rt.debian.org]] page 2007-10-07 :: DebianWiki pages started.<<BR>> add GUI to HowToIdentifyADevice/* (thanks to SalokineTerata) <<BR>> DebianWiki/WikiVote page started. 2007-09-30 :: ModuleAssistant / major improvements. 2007-09-27 :: DebianReleases "child" pages are completed (good enough for now, at least). 2007-09-18 :: Howto make a ScreenShots page. 2007-09-16 :: improve and add links to talks for DebConf* 2007-09-08 :: converted wiki.debian.net links to wiki.debian.org. 2007-09-07 :: cleanup old RemoteWikiLinks (DebianPackage, DebianPts, DebianPackages, bts ) 2007-08-14 :: InstallingEtchStepByStep project started. 2007-08-14 :: Glossary started. ''I stop updating my log, i think you have the idea : I intend to cleanup wiki.d.o !'' 2007-08-08 :: /!\ what about wiki-pages for packages ? looks like duplicate with packages.debian.org to me. (see MetaPackages in http://wiki.debian.org/nanos?action=recall&rev=1 ) 2007-08-07 :: Merged "From Windows To Debian" and FromWindowsToDebian (plus related cleanup) <<BR>> Merged *X_Window_System* <<BR>> Merged *WindowManager* <<BR>> Merged *Desktop environment* 2007-08-06 :: Prepare the merged DotNetFrontPage, OldFrontPage to FrontPage 2007-08-06 :: Major cleanup around "Debian Enterprise" pages. 2007-08-05 :: Merged WikiUsers and DebianUsers 2007-08-05 :: InterWiki Migration : Cleaning-up "RemoteWikiURL" links from old wiki.d.o (based on kwiki). <<BR>> RemoteWikiURL were used in http://zwiki.org/ to declare others wiki. (many wiki pages were needed in thoses zwiki days.. deprecated today) 2007-06-05 :: HowToIdentifyADevice pages started 2007-05-28 :: InstallingDebianOn project started. <<Anchor(new-pages)>> === New wikipages ideas === * A page with samples of Debian fonts. (sample text, use WikiPedia:Sample_Font_Displays_In_Other_Languages ) <<Anchor(theme)>> ==== Theme ==== . Current wiki.d.o layout (theme) isn't very nice, still Moinmoin can be nice. some ideas [[http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket|ThemeMarket]], [[http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinScreenShots|ScreenShots]]: * http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges * http://wiki.winehq.org/ (I'm not fan of the colors though) * http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/TitleIndex This one is very clean * http://wiki.ethereal.com/TitleIndex some good ideas here too More on http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:TitleIndex+-inurl:trac. Also, Apache.org is caching their [[http://wiki.apache.org/general/|wiki]] pages. === My Todo for Debian === ## * Create a package (à la module-assistant), to deploy private root CAs. ## * Package http://www.limesurvey.org/ ## * Package https://trac.luffy.cx/wiremaps/ (see DebPkg:lldp ) ## * Packages Sections ## * Rename the section {{{perl}}} as {{{perl-lib}}} and {{{python}}} as {{{python-lib}}}. ## * Get a separate section for I18n stuffs (especially those that are part of tasks)?? * Rewrite DebianWiki Privacy policy, based on http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ * Consistency in the way "Recommends" are installed: DI don't install "Recommends", but apt-get and aptitude don't. * Document [[http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/index.html|html2wiki]] and DebPkg:libhtml-wikiconverter-moinmoin-perl somewhere on the wiki, === Visitors comments === Why did you delete the dash page ? I don't understand why speak of bash in a lot of pages and we don't speak of dash ([[DashAsBinSh]] sell nothing about dash why use it ? and we keep a page as [[DebianEeePC/Dash]]). I'm think is really not until to make an wiki if we don't speak __before__ an delete and if user have more information on wikipedia or with search by google. What is the advantage of wiki debian on the wikipedia or other wiki by exemple ? If the information of this page DebianPkg:dash is sufficient why make a wiki ? If the work is create page to make a link to packages.debian.org the administrator can create a script. I can't understand why destroy the page on dash to this limite to dashasbinsh. Is not my concept of the work and I don't see a page who explain the rules of this wiki. You (this wiki) have don't need me to exist, it's really dommage. (I wait your answer). -- MichelBarret Hello, I merely moved the content of the page to a different page (restructure). The reason is that most of the documentation related to a package (dash) should be inside the package (I still hope that Debian publishes on the web all the documentation included inside package...). For example, the page [[Bash]] won't ever contain much more information than what it does currently: There are many existing documentation about bash and POSIX shells out there, we don't need to create our own. Regarding generic information about Bash/Dash... wikipedia is doing a very good job. IMHO, the Bash page should be removed. However, we need to provide information that are specific to Debian. In this case, we need to tell the user which shell to choose and when. We need to explain how to change them. That's why I have developed the page [[Shell]], using and expanding your contribution. > If the information of this page DebianPkg:dash is sufficient why make a wiki ? => That's the point. The wiki should provide the information that's doesn't exist elsewhere. > You (this wiki) have don't need me to exist, it's really dommage. => I am not sure I understand what you mean. Your contribution is valuable, I just moved. -- FranklinPiat <<DateTime(2009-08-16T14:35:01+0100)>> Oh I see the [[fr/Shell]]… redirect to english version… great! The information to dash is in english… great! To have an information on dash go to [[DashAsBinSh]] (why anybody go on [[Dash]] ? … ). This wiki is make to english users ? Ok. I don't see how can help the wiki. -- MichelBarret <<DateTime(2009-08-16T17:24:46+0200)>> As you understood, those redirect pages where transitional (the page were completely re-written, so the translation page needed to be rewritten too). -- FranklinPiat <<DateTime(2009-08-16T19:59:57+0100)>> J'ai retraduit [[fr/Shell]], j'espère ne pas me la faire virer demain pour cause de mises à jour de la page anglaise. On supprime des pages anglaises comme ça simplement parce que la page dans une langue donnée est plus à jour ? Ça m'étonnerais… -- MichelBarret <<DateTime(2009-08-16T18:01:49+0200)>> Merci pour la traduction. N'hésite pas à améliorer/corriger la version Anglaise. -- FranklinPiat <<DateTime(2009-08-16T19:59:57+0100)>> I have finally resolve this problème Dahs redirect to DashAsSh in english and french versions. Maybe can I traduct my current work. We don't a lot of, I don't like traduct, so I think speak togethers contributors will be better to the quality of this wiki. I hope no others contributors was stop their work for this reasons… -- MichelBarret <<DateTime(2009-08-16T18:29:38+0200)>> The page Dash isn't actually needed, does it? -- FranklinPiat <<DateTime(2009-08-16T19:59:57+0100)>> A lot of body use wikipedia without open a page wikipedia, they write the begin of url « http://fr.wikipedia.org » and add a word. I know many website which make it and all my on jabber. -- MichelBarret <<DateTime(2009-08-16T23:16:41+0200)>> That's something people can do on Wikipedia, because it's an encyclopedia which is meant to cover all the words (including variants, brands...). On Debian, the list of packages is listed in packages.debian.org and that's the place where people should search for information about package. A few packages deserve a wiki pages (to explain how to install non standard programs, like [[FlashPlayer]]. To document some problems related to the packages in stable, like [[Xen]]). Two important missing features are: 1. Publish the README.Debian files (on packages.debian.org) 2. Link or include wikipage, from packages.debian.org Overall, you might wonder why I am reluctant to create more wiki pages... well, the main reason is that Moinmoin search ranking is nowhere close to google (i.e all match are displayed in random order). So if one search for a word (try "kernel") and gets tons of pages listed but most of them are almost empty, obsolete, or {{{#redirect}}} pages, that would be boring and people don't use the wiki "because it's crap". [On Wikipedia, someone can create a page with 2 lines, and expect the next 500 contributors to complete the page... it isn't the case on other wikis].<<BR>> Another concern, is that each page has to be maintained (updating and dropping contents, updating links, formatting, translation) => someone needs to spend the time doing the job. I can tell you that very very very few people are interested in doing it. -- FranklinPiat <<DateTime(2009-08-17T07:33:34+0100)>> ''add yours here.'' ---- CategoryHomepage |
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