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<j4v4m4n> Vipul: hi
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<kart_> hi all
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<j4v4m4n> kart_: Vipul lets start
<Vipul> ok..
<j4v4m4n> what should be the topics to be covered
<j4v4m4n> I think one introduction to debian session has to be there  [10:18]
<j4v4m4n> then packaging workshop
<j4v4m4n> debian localization and then bug squashing party
<Vipul> The other Conferences that I saw were focused to individual topics..
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<Vipul> Authors reaching out with individual packages will be headstart for
        students..  [10:21]
<Vipul> May be after the packaging...  [10:22]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: this is different conference
<j4v4m4n> more than teaching students ideas, we want to give hands on proctice
<j4v4m4n> for them to be able to contribute  [10:23]
<Vipul> As noted by me in the many that I have attended..
<j4v4m4n> the idea is for experienced people to sid beside them and show them
<Vipul> unless an opening is shown..
<j4v4m4n> s/sid/sit/
<Vipul> Students dont enter..
<Vipul> by that I mean any package,project etc.  [10:24]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will start with a helloworld package
<kart_> j4v4m4n: right.
<j4v4m4n> show them all the steps
<j4v4m4n> tell them to pick a package from  a list  [10:25]
<kart_> There are other ways to contribute too. We can show that too..
<j4v4m4n> help them when they face problems
<Vipul> will do..  [10:26]
<Vipul> So thats just one whole day of it?
<j4v4m4n> list would be http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: first day
<kart_> second day: bsp?  [10:27]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: second day we will start with bug tracker
<j4v4m4n> kart_: or should we cover BTS on the first day?
<kart_> j4v4m4n: first day. start with ITP/ITA/RFP and then how to report bugs
        etc
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok  [10:28]
<Vipul> Well should I intervene...before going further..
<kart_> j4v4m4n: once they are bit familiar with Debian, BSP
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: go ahead
<Vipul> The basic hinderence in the colleges in Pune is..No one is into Linux
        yet..
<Vipul> So they need a head start with Debian first..  [10:29]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: it is chicken and egg problem
<Vipul> I say this in view if the Conference wants to reach large crowds..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we don't need large crowds
<Vipul> Well then fine..  [10:30]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will give them something to do with debian, so that would
          motivate them to use debian :)
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Ok..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: they will just have to know how to extract a tarball edit
          some text files, use email, that's it  [10:31]
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Thats first day..
<Vipul> Further..  [10:32]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: second day is tricky for a new folk
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: but he can see how bugs are solved by experienced folks and
          try fixing some simple bugs
<kart_> j4v4m4n: 10/15 people are enough for BSP.  [10:33]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: this kind of format you would not have seen before
<kart_> j4v4m4n: specially it is for those who really learned on Day 1.
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Yes..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: most seminars are for large crowds, but we want only
          interested folks
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Fair enough..After BSP..  [10:34]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: BSP is for the whole day  [10:35]
<Vipul> So the two days will be totally in Labs..  [10:36]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: yes, expect for the debian introduction session
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: last work shop our target was to teach them how to administer
          their systems  [10:37]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: this time our focus is training them to be contributors
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: by administer you mean?
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: sys admin
<kart_> j4v4m4n: make sure that Internet is proper. We need it :)  [10:38]
<Vipul> Got it..Have you considered about the locations..  [10:39]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: Abhijith seems to want it in coep now, I prefer pict
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we want really interested people, Abhijith's point for coep
          is he can get more students  [10:40]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: but that is not our focus
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<Vipul> j4v4m4n: He is right at one level..that they have huge crowds..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we are not looking for large crowds who come sit and go
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: but for people who will continue contributing even if that is
          5-10  [10:41]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: I'm sure I have seen at least that many in pict last time
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Fine..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will decide it in the evening when we meet Abhijith
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<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Ok..
<Vipul> Well then the question remains of presenters..  [10:43]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: if a coep folk can't come to pict for this session, then may
          be he/she is not interested
<j4v4m4n> kart_: I can take the introduction
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<kart__> j4v4m4n: nice
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: one more point, we usually look at number of people as the
          only metric for success or failure of a session
<kart__> j4v4m4n: I can take packaging session. Also i18n in Debian.
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: but that is not the correct way always  [10:45]
<kart__> j4v4m4n: also 'Dealing with Bugs' kind of session..
<Vipul> @Ok..
<j4v4m4n> kart__: we can try Karunakar for l10n/i18n
<j4v4m4n> 10-11 introduction to debian
<j4v4m4n> 11-1 packaging work shop  [10:46]
<j4v4m4n> 2-3 l10n
<j4v4m4n> 3-4 BTS
<Vipul> 1 hr for each may suffice?  [10:47]
<j4v4m4n> 4-5 other tools like PTS...
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: may be packaging needs 3 hours
<j4v4m4n> or even 4
<j4v4m4n> kart__: what do you think?
<Vipul> And each session will be by different author?  [10:49]
<j4v4m4n> yes
<j4v4m4n> workshop can have more than one presenters
<Vipul> I liked the arrangement during l10n..that works..  [10:50]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok we will follow that
<Vipul> day 2:
<j4v4m4n> 10-5 Bug Squashing Party - use the skills you learned on day 1
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<j4v4m4n> Vipul: you are sceptic?  [10:52]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we have not done something like this before
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: but without actually trying how do we know how it will be
<Vipul> No..
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: are you confident that students can do this?  [10:53]
<Vipul> Yes ..but largely depends on first day...
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok, we will give it our best try and see how it goes
<Vipul> Ok..Sponsers..:  [10:54]
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Bad news....IEEE..dint sanction it..  [10:55]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok we will try others
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: may be CDAC/BOSS would want to partner  [10:56]
<j4v4m4n> kart__: ping
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: But HOD asked for a letter of invitation for sponsership...
<Vipul> Would that be ready by tomorrow...?
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: if we make it today :)
<Vipul> tuesay..
<kart__> j4v4m4n: fine :)  [10:57]
<Vipul> College closed till tuesday..[Bharat Bandh]
<j4v4m4n> kart__: Vipul TODO: sponsorship letter
<j4v4m4n>  TODO: fix venue - me and Vipul by today  [10:58]
<Vipul> Means ?sponsorship letter..me?
<j4v4m4n> kart__: how long should we have the packaging workshop?
<kart__> j4v4m4n: 2 hours are enough.  [10:59]
<j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will do it together
<kart__> j4v4m4n: I pinged my VP for sponsorship. Lets see.
<Vipul> Ok..+hand outs and posters for other colleges..
<j4v4m4n> kart__: lets make 3 and give them more hands on time for trying one
          wnpp package
<kart__> j4v4m4n: nice.  [11:00]
<j4v4m4n> kart__: I think BTS session has to be before packaging
<kart__> j4v4m4n: yes.
<j4v4m4n> so here is the plan
<j4v4m4n> 10-11 intro
<j4v4m4n> 11-12 BTS  [11:01]
<kart__> j4v4m4n: also, i'm writing to couple of DDs if they can make it. I
         can also request Debian project to sponsor our travel..
<j4v4m4n> kart__: cool
<kart__> j4v4m4n: but, we need fixed date/venue and other stuffs.
<j4v4m4n> 12-1 31st-1st Pune is fixed
<Vipul> Will be fixed by tuesday..
<j4v4m4n> kart__: it will be coep or pict  [11:02]
<j4v4m4n> kart__: should we add one session for other tools like PTS...
<j4v4m4n> kart__: should we make it as debian tools instead of just BTS?
<kart__> j4v4m4n: Tools for Developers can be right way.  [11:06]
<j4v4m4n> ok lets close the meeting
<j4v4m4n> kart__: ok
<kart__> j4v4m4n: we can also invite other distro members..
<kart__> fine.
<j4v4m4n> I will update the wiki
<Vipul> ok..
<kart__> j4v4m4n: nice. I'll update about replies from other people/my company
         to list when needed.  [11:07]
<kart__> j4v4m4n: 31Jul-1st Aug.
<kart__> ?
<j4v4m4n> kart__: did you mean fedora people or just debian derivatives?
<j4v4m4n> kart__: yes
<kart__> j4v4m4n: Everyone who want 'to contribute to Debian' should be fine.
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<kart__> j4v4m4n: sent messege to RH people :)
<kart__> j4v4m4n: Onkar will be mostly there (Ubuntu MOTU)
<j4v4m4n> kart__: should we give him a session?  [11:09]
<kart__> j4v4m4n: he can join in packaging workshop. he is into java packaging
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<kart__> j4v4m4n: let me confirm his presence
<j4v4m4n> kart__: ok
<Vipul> j4v4m4n: Should I leave...I have students meet at lokayat..
<Vipul> meet you in evening..  [11:11]
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<j4v4m4n> kart__: bye  [11:18]
<kart__> bye!  [11:21]
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