[ഞാ ജൂലൈ 4 2010] *** You have joined channel #debianindia [10:00] *** Users on #debianindia: j4v4m4n kart_ @ChanServ *** #debianindia modes: +cnt *** #debianindia was created on ബുധന് 2009/12/16 07:26:46 IST <j4v4m4n> kart_: hi *** Vipul (7bed4c16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.237.76.22) has joined channel #debianindia [10:01] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has changed mode for #debianindia to +o j4v4m4n <j4v4m4n> Vipul: hi <Vipul> hi [10:02] <kart_> hi all <j4v4m4n> we have 3 people, lets wait for 5-10 minutes [10:04] <Vipul> ok.. [10:05] <kart_> ok [10:06] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has changed mode for #debianindia to +o kart_ [10:12] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has set the topic for #debianindia: "| MiniDebConf India http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010" [10:14] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has set the topic for #debianindia: "Mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Debianindia | This channels mentors DD (Debian Developer) aspirants | MiniDebConf India 31st July, 1st August 2010 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010" [10:16] ERC> /names [10:17] *** Users on #debianindia: Vipul @j4v4m4n @kart_ @ChanServ <j4v4m4n> kart_: Vipul lets start <Vipul> ok.. <j4v4m4n> what should be the topics to be covered <j4v4m4n> I think one introduction to debian session has to be there [10:18] <j4v4m4n> then packaging workshop <j4v4m4n> debian localization and then bug squashing party <Vipul> The other Conferences that I saw were focused to individual topics.. [10:19] <Vipul> Authors reaching out with individual packages will be headstart for students.. [10:21] <Vipul> May be after the packaging... [10:22] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: this is different conference <j4v4m4n> more than teaching students ideas, we want to give hands on proctice <j4v4m4n> for them to be able to contribute [10:23] <Vipul> As noted by me in the many that I have attended.. <j4v4m4n> the idea is for experienced people to sid beside them and show them <Vipul> unless an opening is shown.. <j4v4m4n> s/sid/sit/ <Vipul> Students dont enter.. <Vipul> by that I mean any package,project etc. [10:24] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will start with a helloworld package <kart_> j4v4m4n: right. <j4v4m4n> show them all the steps <j4v4m4n> tell them to pick a package from a list [10:25] <kart_> There are other ways to contribute too. We can show that too.. <j4v4m4n> help them when they face problems <Vipul> will do.. [10:26] <Vipul> So thats just one whole day of it? <j4v4m4n> list would be http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested <j4v4m4n> Vipul: first day <kart_> second day: bsp? [10:27] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: second day we will start with bug tracker <j4v4m4n> kart_: or should we cover BTS on the first day? <kart_> j4v4m4n: first day. start with ITP/ITA/RFP and then how to report bugs etc <j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok [10:28] <Vipul> Well should I intervene...before going further.. <kart_> j4v4m4n: once they are bit familiar with Debian, BSP <j4v4m4n> Vipul: go ahead <Vipul> The basic hinderence in the colleges in Pune is..No one is into Linux yet.. <Vipul> So they need a head start with Debian first.. [10:29] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: it is chicken and egg problem <Vipul> I say this in view if the Conference wants to reach large crowds.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we don't need large crowds <Vipul> Well then fine.. [10:30] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will give them something to do with debian, so that would motivate them to use debian :) <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Ok.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: they will just have to know how to extract a tarball edit some text files, use email, that's it [10:31] <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Thats first day.. <Vipul> Further.. [10:32] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: second day is tricky for a new folk <j4v4m4n> Vipul: but he can see how bugs are solved by experienced folks and try fixing some simple bugs <kart_> j4v4m4n: 10/15 people are enough for BSP. [10:33] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: this kind of format you would not have seen before <kart_> j4v4m4n: specially it is for those who really learned on Day 1. <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Yes.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: most seminars are for large crowds, but we want only interested folks <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Fair enough..After BSP.. [10:34] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: BSP is for the whole day [10:35] <Vipul> So the two days will be totally in Labs.. [10:36] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: yes, expect for the debian introduction session <j4v4m4n> Vipul: last work shop our target was to teach them how to administer their systems [10:37] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: this time our focus is training them to be contributors <Vipul> j4v4m4n: by administer you mean? <j4v4m4n> Vipul: sys admin <kart_> j4v4m4n: make sure that Internet is proper. We need it :) [10:38] <Vipul> Got it..Have you considered about the locations.. [10:39] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: Abhijith seems to want it in coep now, I prefer pict <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we want really interested people, Abhijith's point for coep is he can get more students [10:40] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: but that is not our focus *** kart__ (~kart_@122.170.35.252) has joined channel #debianindia <Vipul> j4v4m4n: He is right at one level..that they have huge crowds.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we are not looking for large crowds who come sit and go <j4v4m4n> Vipul: but for people who will continue contributing even if that is 5-10 [10:41] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: I'm sure I have seen at least that many in pict last time <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Fine.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will decide it in the evening when we meet Abhijith [10:42] <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Ok.. <Vipul> Well then the question remains of presenters.. [10:43] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: if a coep folk can't come to pict for this session, then may be he/she is not interested <j4v4m4n> kart_: I can take the introduction *** kart_ (~kart_@122.169.72.161) has quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:44] <kart__> j4v4m4n: nice <j4v4m4n> Vipul: one more point, we usually look at number of people as the only metric for success or failure of a session <kart__> j4v4m4n: I can take packaging session. Also i18n in Debian. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: but that is not the correct way always [10:45] <kart__> j4v4m4n: also 'Dealing with Bugs' kind of session.. <Vipul> @Ok.. <j4v4m4n> kart__: we can try Karunakar for l10n/i18n <j4v4m4n> 10-11 introduction to debian <j4v4m4n> 11-1 packaging work shop [10:46] <j4v4m4n> 2-3 l10n <j4v4m4n> 3-4 BTS <Vipul> 1 hr for each may suffice? [10:47] <j4v4m4n> 4-5 other tools like PTS... <j4v4m4n> Vipul: may be packaging needs 3 hours <j4v4m4n> or even 4 <j4v4m4n> kart__: what do you think? <Vipul> And each session will be by different author? [10:49] <j4v4m4n> yes <j4v4m4n> workshop can have more than one presenters <Vipul> I liked the arrangement during l10n..that works.. [10:50] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok we will follow that <Vipul> day 2: <j4v4m4n> 10-5 Bug Squashing Party - use the skills you learned on day 1 [10:51] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: you are sceptic? [10:52] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we have not done something like this before <j4v4m4n> Vipul: but without actually trying how do we know how it will be <Vipul> No.. <j4v4m4n> Vipul: are you confident that students can do this? [10:53] <Vipul> Yes ..but largely depends on first day... <j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok, we will give it our best try and see how it goes <Vipul> Ok..Sponsers..: [10:54] <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Bad news....IEEE..dint sanction it.. [10:55] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: ok we will try others <j4v4m4n> Vipul: may be CDAC/BOSS would want to partner [10:56] <j4v4m4n> kart__: ping <Vipul> j4v4m4n: But HOD asked for a letter of invitation for sponsership... <Vipul> Would that be ready by tomorrow...? <j4v4m4n> Vipul: if we make it today :) <Vipul> tuesay.. <kart__> j4v4m4n: fine :) [10:57] <Vipul> College closed till tuesday..[Bharat Bandh] <j4v4m4n> kart__: Vipul TODO: sponsorship letter <j4v4m4n> TODO: fix venue - me and Vipul by today [10:58] <Vipul> Means ?sponsorship letter..me? <j4v4m4n> kart__: how long should we have the packaging workshop? <kart__> j4v4m4n: 2 hours are enough. [10:59] <j4v4m4n> Vipul: we will do it together <kart__> j4v4m4n: I pinged my VP for sponsorship. Lets see. <Vipul> Ok..+hand outs and posters for other colleges.. <j4v4m4n> kart__: lets make 3 and give them more hands on time for trying one wnpp package <kart__> j4v4m4n: nice. [11:00] <j4v4m4n> kart__: I think BTS session has to be before packaging <kart__> j4v4m4n: yes. <j4v4m4n> so here is the plan <j4v4m4n> 10-11 intro <j4v4m4n> 11-12 BTS [11:01] <kart__> j4v4m4n: also, i'm writing to couple of DDs if they can make it. I can also request Debian project to sponsor our travel.. <j4v4m4n> kart__: cool <kart__> j4v4m4n: but, we need fixed date/venue and other stuffs. <j4v4m4n> 12-1 31st-1st Pune is fixed <Vipul> Will be fixed by tuesday.. <j4v4m4n> kart__: it will be coep or pict [11:02] <j4v4m4n> kart__: should we add one session for other tools like PTS... <j4v4m4n> kart__: should we make it as debian tools instead of just BTS? <kart__> j4v4m4n: Tools for Developers can be right way. [11:06] <j4v4m4n> ok lets close the meeting <j4v4m4n> kart__: ok <kart__> j4v4m4n: we can also invite other distro members.. <kart__> fine. <j4v4m4n> I will update the wiki <Vipul> ok.. <kart__> j4v4m4n: nice. I'll update about replies from other people/my company to list when needed. [11:07] <kart__> j4v4m4n: 31Jul-1st Aug. <kart__> ? <j4v4m4n> kart__: did you mean fedora people or just debian derivatives? <j4v4m4n> kart__: yes <kart__> j4v4m4n: Everyone who want 'to contribute to Debian' should be fine. [11:08] <kart__> j4v4m4n: sent messege to RH people :) <kart__> j4v4m4n: Onkar will be mostly there (Ubuntu MOTU) <j4v4m4n> kart__: should we give him a session? [11:09] <kart__> j4v4m4n: he can join in packaging workshop. he is into java packaging [11:10] <kart__> j4v4m4n: let me confirm his presence <j4v4m4n> kart__: ok <Vipul> j4v4m4n: Should I leave...I have students meet at lokayat.. <Vipul> meet you in evening.. [11:11] *** Vipul (7bed4c16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.237.76.22) has left channel #debianindia: #debianindia [11:12] <j4v4m4n> kart__: bye [11:18] <kart__> bye! [11:21] ERC> /part *** You have left channel #debianindia