{{{ [ഞാ ജൂലൈ 4 2010] *** You have joined channel #debianindia [10:00] *** Users on #debianindia: j4v4m4n kart_ @ChanServ *** #debianindia modes: +cnt *** #debianindia was created on ബുധന്‍ 2009/12/16 07:26:46 IST kart_: hi *** Vipul (7bed4c16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.237.76.22) has joined channel #debianindia [10:01] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has changed mode for #debianindia to +o j4v4m4n Vipul: hi hi [10:02] hi all we have 3 people, lets wait for 5-10 minutes [10:04] ok.. [10:05] ok [10:06] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has changed mode for #debianindia to +o kart_ [10:12] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has set the topic for #debianindia: "| MiniDebConf India http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010" [10:14] *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has set the topic for #debianindia: "Mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Debianindia | This channels mentors DD (Debian Developer) aspirants | MiniDebConf India 31st July, 1st August 2010 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010" [10:16] ERC> /names [10:17] *** Users on #debianindia: Vipul @j4v4m4n @kart_ @ChanServ kart_: Vipul lets start ok.. what should be the topics to be covered I think one introduction to debian session has to be there [10:18] then packaging workshop debian localization and then bug squashing party The other Conferences that I saw were focused to individual topics.. [10:19] Authors reaching out with individual packages will be headstart for students.. [10:21] May be after the packaging... [10:22] Vipul: this is different conference more than teaching students ideas, we want to give hands on proctice for them to be able to contribute [10:23] As noted by me in the many that I have attended.. the idea is for experienced people to sid beside them and show them unless an opening is shown.. s/sid/sit/ Students dont enter.. by that I mean any package,project etc. [10:24] Vipul: we will start with a helloworld package j4v4m4n: right. show them all the steps tell them to pick a package from a list [10:25] There are other ways to contribute too. We can show that too.. help them when they face problems will do.. [10:26] So thats just one whole day of it? list would be http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested Vipul: first day second day: bsp? [10:27] Vipul: second day we will start with bug tracker kart_: or should we cover BTS on the first day? j4v4m4n: first day. start with ITP/ITA/RFP and then how to report bugs etc Vipul: ok [10:28] Well should I intervene...before going further.. j4v4m4n: once they are bit familiar with Debian, BSP Vipul: go ahead The basic hinderence in the colleges in Pune is..No one is into Linux yet.. So they need a head start with Debian first.. [10:29] Vipul: it is chicken and egg problem I say this in view if the Conference wants to reach large crowds.. Vipul: we don't need large crowds Well then fine.. [10:30] Vipul: we will give them something to do with debian, so that would motivate them to use debian :) j4v4m4n: Ok.. Vipul: they will just have to know how to extract a tarball edit some text files, use email, that's it [10:31] j4v4m4n: Thats first day.. Further.. [10:32] Vipul: second day is tricky for a new folk Vipul: but he can see how bugs are solved by experienced folks and try fixing some simple bugs j4v4m4n: 10/15 people are enough for BSP. [10:33] Vipul: this kind of format you would not have seen before j4v4m4n: specially it is for those who really learned on Day 1. j4v4m4n: Yes.. Vipul: most seminars are for large crowds, but we want only interested folks j4v4m4n: Fair enough..After BSP.. [10:34] Vipul: BSP is for the whole day [10:35] So the two days will be totally in Labs.. [10:36] Vipul: yes, expect for the debian introduction session Vipul: last work shop our target was to teach them how to administer their systems [10:37] Vipul: this time our focus is training them to be contributors j4v4m4n: by administer you mean? Vipul: sys admin j4v4m4n: make sure that Internet is proper. We need it :) [10:38] Got it..Have you considered about the locations.. [10:39] Vipul: Abhijith seems to want it in coep now, I prefer pict Vipul: we want really interested people, Abhijith's point for coep is he can get more students [10:40] Vipul: but that is not our focus *** kart__ (~kart_@122.170.35.252) has joined channel #debianindia j4v4m4n: He is right at one level..that they have huge crowds.. Vipul: we are not looking for large crowds who come sit and go Vipul: but for people who will continue contributing even if that is 5-10 [10:41] Vipul: I'm sure I have seen at least that many in pict last time j4v4m4n: Fine.. Vipul: we will decide it in the evening when we meet Abhijith [10:42] j4v4m4n: Ok.. Well then the question remains of presenters.. [10:43] Vipul: if a coep folk can't come to pict for this session, then may be he/she is not interested kart_: I can take the introduction *** kart_ (~kart_@122.169.72.161) has quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:44] j4v4m4n: nice Vipul: one more point, we usually look at number of people as the only metric for success or failure of a session j4v4m4n: I can take packaging session. Also i18n in Debian. Vipul: but that is not the correct way always [10:45] j4v4m4n: also 'Dealing with Bugs' kind of session.. @Ok.. kart__: we can try Karunakar for l10n/i18n 10-11 introduction to debian 11-1 packaging work shop [10:46] 2-3 l10n 3-4 BTS 1 hr for each may suffice? [10:47] 4-5 other tools like PTS... Vipul: may be packaging needs 3 hours or even 4 kart__: what do you think? And each session will be by different author? [10:49] yes workshop can have more than one presenters I liked the arrangement during l10n..that works.. [10:50] Vipul: ok we will follow that day 2: 10-5 Bug Squashing Party - use the skills you learned on day 1 [10:51] Vipul: you are sceptic? [10:52] Vipul: we have not done something like this before Vipul: but without actually trying how do we know how it will be No.. Vipul: are you confident that students can do this? [10:53] Yes ..but largely depends on first day... Vipul: ok, we will give it our best try and see how it goes Ok..Sponsers..: [10:54] j4v4m4n: Bad news....IEEE..dint sanction it.. [10:55] Vipul: ok we will try others Vipul: may be CDAC/BOSS would want to partner [10:56] kart__: ping j4v4m4n: But HOD asked for a letter of invitation for sponsership... Would that be ready by tomorrow...? Vipul: if we make it today :) tuesay.. j4v4m4n: fine :) [10:57] College closed till tuesday..[Bharat Bandh] kart__: Vipul TODO: sponsorship letter TODO: fix venue - me and Vipul by today [10:58] Means ?sponsorship letter..me? kart__: how long should we have the packaging workshop? j4v4m4n: 2 hours are enough. [10:59] Vipul: we will do it together j4v4m4n: I pinged my VP for sponsorship. Lets see. Ok..+hand outs and posters for other colleges.. kart__: lets make 3 and give them more hands on time for trying one wnpp package j4v4m4n: nice. [11:00] kart__: I think BTS session has to be before packaging j4v4m4n: yes. so here is the plan 10-11 intro 11-12 BTS [11:01] j4v4m4n: also, i'm writing to couple of DDs if they can make it. I can also request Debian project to sponsor our travel.. kart__: cool j4v4m4n: but, we need fixed date/venue and other stuffs. 12-1 31st-1st Pune is fixed Will be fixed by tuesday.. kart__: it will be coep or pict [11:02] kart__: should we add one session for other tools like PTS... kart__: should we make it as debian tools instead of just BTS? j4v4m4n: Tools for Developers can be right way. [11:06] ok lets close the meeting kart__: ok j4v4m4n: we can also invite other distro members.. fine. I will update the wiki ok.. j4v4m4n: nice. I'll update about replies from other people/my company to list when needed. [11:07] j4v4m4n: 31Jul-1st Aug. ? kart__: did you mean fedora people or just debian derivatives? kart__: yes j4v4m4n: Everyone who want 'to contribute to Debian' should be fine. [11:08] j4v4m4n: sent messege to RH people :) j4v4m4n: Onkar will be mostly there (Ubuntu MOTU) kart__: should we give him a session? [11:09] j4v4m4n: he can join in packaging workshop. he is into java packaging [11:10] j4v4m4n: let me confirm his presence kart__: ok j4v4m4n: Should I leave...I have students meet at lokayat.. meet you in evening.. [11:11] *** Vipul (7bed4c16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.237.76.22) has left channel #debianindia: #debianindia [11:12] kart__: bye [11:18] bye! [11:21] ERC> /part *** You have left channel #debianindia }}}