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   4 19:58:40 <h01ger> #topic lets get started, please say hi if you're here
   5 19:58:44 <h01ger> hi
   6 19:58:53 <sep_> hi
   7 19:58:54 <k4x> hi
   8 19:59:03 * jever = Jürgen Leibner
   9 19:59:17 <h01ger> (we'll only start in 2min but its good to be early :)
  10 19:59:25 * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
  11 20:00:16 * and1bm Andi Mundt
  12 20:01:14 <h01ger> the agenda is
  13 20:01:19 <h01ger> Squeeze status
  14 20:01:19 <h01ger> single arch DVDs
  15 20:01:19 <h01ger> new name for the thin-client-server profile (#588510)
  16 20:01:19 <h01ger> alpha2 timeline?
  17 20:01:19 <h01ger> gathering in Oslo, 3-5 Dec 2010
  18 20:01:20 <h01ger> other business?
  19 20:01:21 <h01ger> Next meeting?
  20 20:01:23 <h01ger> anything else?
  21 20:01:49 <highvoltage> hi!
  22 20:01:50 <k4x> yes please: meeting in Germany in February 2011
  23 20:01:59 * highvoltage = Jonathan Carter
  24 20:02:10 * k4x = Kurt Gramlich
  25 20:02:32 <h01ger> k4x, ack, added
  26 20:02:37 * h01ger = Holger Levse
  27 20:02:38 <h01ger> n
  28 20:04:15 * h01ger added current status / blockers to the squeeze topic
  29 20:04:22 <h01ger> so lets start
  30 20:04:34 <h01ger> #topic 1 Who moderates the meeting and who writes the summary?
  31 20:04:43 <h01ger> moderator -> h01ger
  32 20:04:47 <h01ger> summary -> jever
  33 20:04:58 <h01ger> #topic 2. squeeze status
  34 20:05:06 <h01ger> #topic 2.1 squeeze status - single arch DVDs
  35 20:05:35 <h01ger> that has been cleared on irc: i'll create additional single arch dvds, then we evaluate them, then we'll see
  36 20:05:42 <h01ger> next point i'd say ;)
  37 20:06:00 <h01ger> #topic 2.1 squeeze status - current status / blockers
  38 20:06:10 <h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze
  39 20:06:15 <pere> missing ldap admin is the big blocker.
  40 20:06:42 * h01ger nods
  41 20:06:45 <h01ger> "Iceweasel default page is not http://www/." is still the case?
  42 20:06:57 <pere> yes
  43 20:07:00 <h01ger> what other blockers we have?
  44 20:07:01 <jever> yes
  45 20:07:14 <sepski> and is that critical ? i'd assume most schools want their own homepage as default anyyway ?
  46 20:07:29 * h01ger goes with sepski here
  47 20:07:36 <pere> sep: it indicate that our mechanism to set the default is broken, which is critical.
  48 20:07:37 * jever too
  49 20:07:39 <and1bm> +1
  50 20:08:18 <h01ger> re: ldap admin, we decided on gosa, whats left to do?
  51 20:08:46 <jever> documentation for using gosa
  52 20:08:47 <pere> is this mindless voting supposed to make sense even before the issues are explained, or what is going on here?
  53 20:09:39 <highvoltage> I tested the last build, but something went wrong with the LTSP server installation part so I thought I'd try again later... but never got to it :-/
  54 20:09:51 <h01ger> pere, no, i'm trying to understand what needs to be done
  55 20:10:03 <h01ger> and i'm updating http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze as we speak
  56 20:10:08 <pere> I do not have the complete status with gosa, but it lacks support for editing netgroups, and is unable to configure our dhcp and dns servers.
  57 20:10:50 * h01ger nods
  58 20:10:57 * h01ger wants bugs for each and every issue. seperate bugs!
  59 20:11:14 <h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze updated
  60 20:11:30 <h01ger> highvoltage, when was that?
  61 20:12:07 <jever> until we are now able to start using and testing gosa widely, we should file bugs and document what we find out
  62 20:12:30 <pere> I also believe we should set up three access levels in gosa, admin, jradmin and other/none using groups, to make sure it is visible from within linux who got extra privileges, and make sure not all teachers got extra privileges.
  63 20:12:31 <h01ger> and1bm, what are the next steps you have planned about gosa?
  64 20:12:44 <highvoltage> h01ger: I think this was about a week ago
  65 20:13:11 <and1bm> the main issue with gosa is probably the decission if we switch to bind or if we wait for someone to make powerdns work.
  66 20:13:17 <h01ger> highvoltage, hm. worth to try again now. ltsp server installation should work
  67 20:13:20 <pere> highvoltage: you probably hit the time when I changed kernel arch and ltsp was broken.
  68 20:13:39 <h01ger> and1bm, ah. right
  69 20:13:40 <pere> and1bm: got netgroups working?
  70 20:13:41 <highvoltage> pere: ah
  71 20:14:11 <h01ger> pere, lets focus on one topic at a time..
  72 20:14:26 <and1bm> pere: no. That's another issue, but perhaps not as important as dns and dhcp
  73 20:14:31 <pere> getting the gosa dns plugin to work with powerdns in strict mode is a simple change, adding one extra attribute to the ldap objects, so I believe we should go that way.
  74 20:14:50 <pere> and1bm: it is more important, as NFS exports depend on netgroups.
  75 20:15:09 <h01ger> dns is god ;)
  76 20:15:11 <and1bm> perhaps we can use kerberos tickets instead
  77 20:15:41 <pere> and1bm: perhaps, but until it is proven to work, I do not believe it. :) we are working on something similar at the university, but no success yet.
  78 20:15:50 <h01ger> pere, this one extra attribute to the ldap object, which package is that that needs modificatio?
  79 20:16:35 <pere> h01ger: no idea.  I just looked at the ldap objects provided as pastes by and1bm .
  80 20:16:36 * tatotat greets (and excuses on the later arrival)
  81 20:17:13 <h01ger> tatotat, hi. full log is at http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-edu/2010/debian-edu.2010-01-11-19.01.log.html
  82 20:17:45 <h01ger> info: getting gosa to work with powerdns seems possible with little work
  83 20:18:04 <h01ger> info: for netgroup support in gosa, there is a patch from and1bm somewhere
  84 20:18:07 <tatotat> h01ger: thanks
  85 20:18:10 <h01ger> and1bm, where? :)
  86 20:18:16 <pere> it is adding domainname: foo.intern or something like that.
  87 20:18:53 <h01ger> tatotat, sorry, its actually http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-edu/2010/debian-edu.2010-11-08-19.58.log.txt - no html version yet :)
  88 20:19:34 <tatotat> h01ger: ok :)
  89 20:20:23 <and1bm> http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2010/04/msg00124.html
  90 20:20:25 <h01ger> "Fix as many FIXMEs in the [[DebianEdu/Documentation/Squeeze|Manual]] as possible" is also important
  91 20:20:28 <h01ger> and1bm, thanks
  92 20:21:24 <h01ger> more blockers or should we move on?
  93 20:21:30 <h01ger> anything else about status to be said?
  94 20:21:36 <pere> #link http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ldap.gosa/506
  95 20:22:04 <and1bm> I do not have the time to work on the pdns issue (and I am not sure if it's that easy).
  96 20:22:45 <pere> #info associatedDomain is the ldap attribute needed.
  97 20:23:07 <h01ger> thanks pere. have collected the info and will file a bug after the meeting
  98 20:23:10 <h01ger> more blockers or should we move on?
  99 20:23:31 <pere> there are probably more blockers, but my brain is mush. :)
 100 20:24:14 <sepski> i could try to work on converting pdns to strict. but it depends a lot of how busy it is at work.
 101 20:24:25 <pere> pdns is already strict.
 102 20:24:36 * h01ger cheers sepski
 103 20:24:48 <pere> I did it this summer, and announced it on debian-edu@.
 104 20:24:55 <h01ger> please continue to file bugs if you meet them!
 105 20:25:00 <h01ger> #topic 2.2. squeeze status - new name for the thin-client-server profile (#588510)
 106 20:25:22 * h01ger assumes everybody has read the thread
 107 20:25:22 <sepski> i read your mail where you  explained the differences. what whas the problem then ?
 108 20:25:23 <pere> changing it now will invalidate the translations.
 109 20:25:50 <h01ger> not changing it now will curse life during squeezes lifetime
 110 20:25:52 <pere> all profile questions will need work from the translations, which normally take a very log time.
 111 20:26:08 * h01ger is willing to chase translators
 112 20:26:23 <pere> I feel no curse from the current name, and believe the issue isn't very important.
 113 20:26:26 * h01ger wonders what other people think, should we do this change now?
 114 20:27:30 <pere> we have 18 complete translations now.
 115 20:28:05 <and1bm> When we want to do it, better now. There will never be a 'good time'.
 116 20:29:02 <and1bm> Perhaps we can just keep the old translation.
 117 20:29:19 <pere> of course it will be a good time.  just after a release is a good time.  just before a release is a bad time.
 118 20:29:37 <sepski> and1bm, if people are going to see the old strings what's the purpose of the name change ?
 119 20:29:56 <and1bm> Next time it will be the better name :)
 120 20:30:27 <jever> is there really much change in the translations?
 121 20:30:49 <sepski> i belive that if we have lived with the old name so many releases we can manage once more. and change the name right after. it would also not add unnessecary burden on translators that are allready working hard for squeeze
 122 20:30:52 <pere> jever: the profile question will be invalidated.
 123 20:31:07 <h01ger> if we'd change the name and the translation would become fuzzy, it would still display the old translation? or the new english?
 124 20:31:22 <pere> h01ger: the english one.
 125 20:32:47 <jever> 'terminal server' is a term which mostly is in any language same, isn't it?
 126 20:33:12 <h01ger> jever, at least _i_ wouldnt know how to translate that. bildschirmarbeitsplatz-server
 127 20:33:14 <and1bm> We talked about changing that 10 months ago already?
 128 20:33:27 <h01ger> and1bm, yeah, but had no proper name back then..
 129 20:33:30 * h01ger believes we have ow
 130 20:33:31 <h01ger> now
 131 20:34:12 <h01ger> anyway, if we dont change the name now, i would at least start to mention it in the documentation... so we can start speaking (about) the right name at least
 132 20:34:21 <pere> anyway, who put this topic on the agenda?  are we to discuss if we are going to do it, or what name to use if we some time decide to do it?
 133 20:34:36 <pere> (or both?)
 134 20:34:56 <h01ger> pere, its pointless to discuss the color if we are not sure if we'll paint
 135 20:34:59 <sepski> i think we should wait.
 136 20:35:16 <sepski> since that name is used in many different places it can affect the installation in qurious ways
 137 20:35:24 * h01ger thinks he has been convinced to wait
 138 20:35:58 <pere> if we are going to switch, the name should be ready when we start on the squeeze+1 development, to be able to do the switch then.
 139 20:36:07 <h01ger> yeah
 140 20:36:16 <jever> one wait the half life long, ... live's too short to wait ;-)
 141 20:36:23 <h01ger> pere, IMO its not a question "if" we switch...
 142 20:36:43 <pere> h01ger: I know.  but to me it is, as I am happy with the current name, and do not see it as a curse. :)
 143 20:36:58 <h01ger> #info lets change the profile name at the beginning of the wheezy circle
 144 20:37:07 <jever> what is the result of #588510: rename thin-client-server profile
 145 20:37:16 <h01ger> pere, i rather dont want to think about the implications... ;)
 146 20:37:21 <h01ger> jever, none yet
 147 20:37:37 <h01ger> #topic 2.4 alpha2 timeline
 148 20:37:45 <h01ger> we only have 23min left...
 149 20:38:36 <pere> I believe we should try to get alpha2 out in a month, after the development gathering.
 150 20:38:49 * h01ger sets two reminders for 20110201 for himself: #588510 and #311188
 151 20:38:58 <pere> I would love to get more gosa stuff working for this, but do not believe we should wait for it.
 152 20:39:03 * h01ger nods
 153 20:39:10 <h01ger> how about: on sunday at the gathering?
 154 20:39:30 <h01ger> spend saturday with squeezing (tested) stuff in
 155 20:39:36 <h01ger> and final tests on sunday?
 156 20:39:59 <pere> I believe it is better to do it the week after, as people tend to get up to speed on developing during a gathering, and continue after the gathering.
 157 20:40:13 <pere> that way we get as much of the updates as possible into alpha2.
 158 20:40:28 <h01ger> fine with me
 159 20:40:31 <h01ger> just not much later
 160 20:40:36 <sepski> i think that's a good idea
 161 20:40:37 <h01ger> then its xmas and such
 162 20:40:38 <and1bm> yeah, good point
 163 20:41:47 <h01ger> #agreed alpha2 target should be the week after the gathering in oslo
 164 20:42:14 <h01ger> pere, what was the focus of it supposed to be, according to your plan?
 165 20:42:27 * h01ger thinks it'd be good to repeat the plan here :)
 166 20:42:30 <pere> h01ger: the main server and lda p admin.
 167 20:42:53 <pere> it is our week point, so it is time to address it.
 168 20:42:56 <h01ger> #info alpha2 focus: main server and ldap admin
 169 20:43:00 <h01ger> yup
 170 20:43:24 <h01ger> #topic 3. gathering in oslo, 3-5 dec 2010
 171 20:43:56 <h01ger> http://friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering/2010-12-03-05-Oslo
 172 20:43:59 * pere hope to be there. :)
 173 20:44:10 * h01ger too
 174 20:44:23 * jever also
 175 20:44:40 <h01ger> and1bm? sep? k4x?
 176 20:44:54 <k4x> sorry not possible
 177 20:45:09 * h01ger wishes tatotat could join too ;)
 178 20:45:28 <h01ger> there is also an edu meeting in versailes at the same date
 179 20:45:32 <sepski> still uncertain, but i am trying to
 180 20:45:33 <h01ger> ping me if you are interested
 181 20:45:49 <sepski> depends some on work. some on babysitter, and most on SO
 182 20:46:08 * and1bm has no direct flight, so it will be traveling ages and being late and having to leave eary ... don't know if it makes sense.
 183 20:46:45 <h01ger> and1bm, if you can work on planes+airports... ;)
 184 20:47:04 <h01ger> #topic 4. gathering in germany, february 2011
 185 20:47:09 * and1bm has to work friday morning probably in school :(
 186 20:47:14 <h01ger> :)
 187 20:47:23 <h01ger> k4x, your topic
 188 20:47:34 <k4x> RLP Project will end in February 2011
 189 20:47:47 <k4x> We will have a last international meeting
 190 20:47:53 <h01ger> there is also fosdem in february and an debian-qa meeting planned in paris in either february or march
 191 20:48:04 <h01ger> neat
 192 20:48:05 <k4x> 10.2. to 13.2.2011
 193 20:48:30 <k4x> so please put a note in your calender
 194 20:48:34 <h01ger> where?
 195 20:48:43 <k4x> in Zweibruecken
 196 20:49:12 <k4x> Plan is to give back to the community the results ;-)
 197 20:49:23 <pere> k4x: how is it planned to give it back?
 198 20:49:27 <h01ger> #info edu meeting in zweibrücken, 2011, feb 10-13
 199 20:49:48 <k4x> good question ;-)
 200 20:50:39 <k4x> I will put more info in wiki.debian.org in english ;-)
 201 20:50:44 <pere> better have a good answer to make such plan come to life. :)
 202 20:50:50 <h01ger> k4x, please also send another invitation via mail
 203 20:50:57 <h01ger> k4x, +cool, thanks
 204 20:51:00 <k4x> h01ger: yes
 205 20:51:11 <k4x> hope to meet you all there
 206 20:51:23 <h01ger> though without an answer to peres question, its just talk ;)
 207 20:51:36 <h01ger> (but nice talk at least)
 208 20:51:37 <h01ger> #topic 5. other business?
 209 20:52:15 <h01ger> #topic 6. next irc meeting
 210 20:52:21 <h01ger> before or after oslo?
 211 20:52:25 <sepski> this dictionary question that shows up in the install , is still present
 212 20:52:44 <h01ger> sepski, in which languages? german and?
 213 20:52:59 <pere> sepski: did not see it when installing norwegian bokmål.
 214 20:53:02 <jever> only on dvd install iirc
 215 20:53:12 <sepski> i usualy select english ->norway->norwegian
 216 20:53:15 <pere> suspect it is language dependent, because some package is missing on the dvd.
 217 20:53:21 <h01ger> anyway, thats "#2. status squeeze", not "#5. next meeting"
 218 20:53:22 <sepski> jever, i have seen it on netinstall
 219 20:53:32 <sepski> got 1 choise and that was finnish iirc
 220 20:53:33 <h01ger> please lets stick to this topic and come back to tech in 5min :)
 221 20:53:36 * jever didn't
 222 20:53:49 <sepski> perhaps i am mistaken
 223 20:54:12 <h01ger> next irc meeting, before or after oslo?
 224 20:54:23 <jever> after
 225 20:54:26 <h01ger> is monday 21oo cet a good date+time?
 226 20:54:59 <sepski> for me it is
 227 20:55:06 <and1bm> me too
 228 20:55:07 <jever> yes
 229 20:55:30 <h01ger> monday the 13th then?
 230 20:56:12 <sepski> yes
 231 20:56:21 <jever> oki
 232 20:56:50 <and1bm> or just after oslo, to discuss remaining stuff for the alpha?
 233 20:57:30 <jever> maybe one needs to settle down first
 234 20:57:32 <and1bm> but monday is probably to early after the weekend
 235 20:57:35 * h01ger is not sure monday directly after will work, for me personally and also in general
 236 20:57:58 <h01ger> and1bm, and i think we can discuss durig the meeting anyway
 237 20:58:07 <sepski> i think it's good to have it soon after.  to keep momentum, and to get alpha2 out
 238 20:58:18 <and1bm> yeah, I agree.
 239 20:58:22 <h01ger> so lets make it monday, 13th, 2100 CET (20 UTC), this channel
 240 20:58:27 <sepski> soon as in 1 weekish
 241 20:58:38 <pere> noted. :)
 242 20:58:45 <jever> ack
 243 20:58:48 <h01ger> (another option would be^whave been november 29th)
 244 20:58:55 <h01ger> #agreed so lets make it monday, 13th, 2100 CET (20 UTC), this channel
 245 20:59:17 <h01ger> thank you all for attending & keeping the meeting productive and in time!
 246 20:59:24 <h01ger> cheers!
 247 20:59:30 <h01ger> #endmeeting