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< MeetBot> |
Meeting started Wed Jul 1 19:05:46 2009 UTC. The chair is sepski. |
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19:06:07 |
* danielsan |
= Daniel Hess |
19:06:10 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at #startmeeting state your name with /me = for the log |
19:06:11 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: -: free software system for schools | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianEdu | Next irc meeting: Wednesday, 2009-07-01: 1900 UTC / 2100 CEST | Agenda: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Etch is 3.0r1 "Terra" and stable | development: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny |
19:06:11 |
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Topic: +: Meeting in progress agenda at #startmeeting state your name with /me = for the log |
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19:06:16 |
* sepski |
= Ronny Aasen |
19:06:37 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | state your name with /me = for the log |
19:06:37 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: -: Meeting in progress agenda at #startmeeting state your name with /me = for the log |
19:06:37 |
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Topic: +: Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | state your name with /me = for the log |
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19:07:16 |
* pere |
= Petter Reinholdtsen |
19:07:29 |
* pere |
is a bit on and off at the moment, packing to go north. |
19:07:41 |
< sepski> |
j4v4m4n_ arntog foka d0rt snorre itais jever patrick-willam xoswald dinoex alfton klausade FBI schasi Werner Tolimar bahner_ C14r law proyvind zobel sturles k4x lazyb0y bittin white MeetBot AndrewLee sep winnie OleA h01ger : meeting starts now. please attend if possible. |
19:08:01 |
* j4v4m4n_ |
= Praveen Arimbrathodiyil |
19:08:07 |
< sepski> |
: |
19:08:13 |
< sepski> |
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19:08:21 |
* klausade |
= klaus ade johnstad |
19:08:50 |
* j4v4m4n_ |
hanging out to make a custom profile for schools in India |
19:09:28 |
< klausade> |
no meeting reminder on email this time? |
19:10:03 |
< sepski> |
guess. not. i didn't remember it myself even before my alarm went of 15 mins ago . |
19:10:30 |
< arntog> |
arntog = Arnt Ove Gregersen |
19:10:44 |
* jever |
= Jürgen Leibner |
19:11:24 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | volunteer needed for summary writing. |
19:11:24 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: -: state your name with /me = for the log |
19:11:24 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: +: volunteer needed for summary writing. |
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changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | volunteer needed for summary writing. |
19:12:08 |
< sepski> |
anyone ? |
19:13:10 |
< sepski> |
keep in mind it does not need to be a huge essay. just the highlights and refer to the log. |
19:13:15 |
* danielsan |
would write the summary if tomorrow evening is early enough |
19:13:28 |
< sepski> |
danielsan, thank you. more then enough. |
19:14:03 |
< sepski> |
#agreed danielsan writes the summary |
19:14:27 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 2: Lenny status http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny |
19:14:27 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: -: volunteer needed for summary writing. |
19:14:27 |
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Topic: +: 2: Lenny status http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny |
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changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 2: Lenny status http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny |
19:14:32 |
< sepski> |
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19:15:10 |
* pere |
tested barebone installation the other day, and autopartitioning did not work. |
19:15:22 |
< pere> |
had to use manual partitioning. |
19:15:33 |
* danielsan |
did a main+workstation yesterday that was successful |
19:15:37 |
< sepski> |
personaly i have not thing else to say then last meeting. i have not had time to test any further unfortunatly. with vacation looming over my head like a damocles sword i fear i wont get much time the next month either |
19:16:29 |
< danielsan> |
I will try to update my windows vm tomorrow and if thats successful I will check the samba status |
19:16:31 |
< pere> |
did anyone look at the bugzilla report about slapd failing to start? |
19:16:49 |
* danielsan |
just did |
19:16:51 |
< pere> |
and the webcache DNS entry problem? |
19:16:51 |
* klausade |
have installed several ltsp-servers today with the netinst cd. all looks just fine. But the ltsp-server profile does not work from dvd, http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1354 |
19:16:51 |
< sepski> |
pere, are there a recipe for barebone ? |
19:16:55 |
< danielsan> |
works on my installation |
19:17:01 |
< sepski> |
or did you use the debian ones or picked one of the others ? |
19:17:02 |
< pere> |
sepski: I do not know. hoped there was. |
19:17:14 |
< klausade> |
pere: i'm installing main-profile to test that right now, the slapd thing, |
19:17:30 |
< sepski> |
pere, looks like slapd was allready running. "address in use" |
19:18:33 |
< sepski> |
#link http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1354 ltsp-server profile does not work from dvd |
19:18:34 |
< pere> |
what other things are not working yet? |
19:18:35 |
< danielsan> |
and on the other bug about webchache there was an answer from the dns which gets its data from ldap too |
19:19:37 |
< danielsan> |
the dhcp hosts are still missing from dns which triggers a warning |
19:20:09 |
< sepski> |
pere, i guess it's the 97minimal recipe |
19:20:50 |
< sepski> |
pere, and it does not have a boot.. for some reason. |
19:21:49 |
< pere> |
sepski: right. that was the problem. |
19:22:19 |
< danielsan> |
sepski: do we already build our images using 5.0.2 D-I? |
19:22:54 |
< sepski> |
are 5.0.2 uploded to debian proper ? |
19:22:55 |
< FBI> |
debian-edu: sep-guest committed revision 58577 to debian-edu: * add /boot for barebone |
19:22:56 |
< sepski> |
if not then no |
19:23:43 |
< pere> |
sepski: I believe so. expert profile question looked good when I tested it. |
19:23:44 |
< sepski> |
oh it was released june27 |
19:23:53 |
< sepski> |
in that case i have to check. but in theory it should |
19:24:22 |
< danielsan> |
so 1315 sould be gone |
19:24:48 |
< sepski> |
and pere have tested it even so indeed gone yes. |
19:25:02 |
< pere> |
on a related note, I was in london working on the debian and ubuntu boot system last week, and there I was told that ubuntu had dropped the graphical d-i install because of its usability issues. |
19:26:33 |
< sepski> |
we default to the ncurses one do we not ?' |
19:26:40 |
< danielsan> |
oh, they had the graphical d-i? never had seen that |
19:26:57 |
< pere> |
yes |
19:27:22 |
< pere> |
sepski: I believe our default from CD is newt, while the pxe one defaults to graphical install. |
19:27:41 |
< pere> |
we should consider changing the pxe setting. |
19:27:46 |
< sepski> |
perhaps change that one then |
19:28:12 |
< sepski> |
just do it imho. |
19:28:20 |
< danielsan> |
in etch we had graphical d-i as default |
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19:29:05 |
< pere> |
how bad is the graphical install? |
19:29:16 |
* danielsan |
uses it all the time |
19:29:26 |
< danielsan> |
and it's imho not worse thant text based |
19:29:52 |
< sepski> |
i never use it. since it is slower |
19:30:12 |
* pere |
do not use it in qemu, because it make it hardert to change virtual terminal. |
19:30:14 |
< sepski> |
and more tricky to get to the tty's |
19:30:38 |
< jever> |
that's why I don't use it too |
19:30:48 |
< klausade> |
me too. |
19:30:59 |
< pere> |
the nice thing about the graphical installer is the nice picture at the top. |
19:31:14 |
< jever> |
|
19:31:22 |
< danielsan> |
and it looks more friendly |
19:31:38 |
< sepski> |
this is only for the pxe installer so it's a tiny issue. dont think we'r going to change the default of the images now are we ? |
19:31:40 |
< arntog> |
but should have a been a picutre with a lot of people using debianedu, not a empty classroom with 2-3 persons |
19:31:56 |
< pere> |
anyway, if very few are testing the graphical installer, I suggest we drop it from the pxe install and reconsider on request. |
19:32:15 |
< sepski> |
it's more sane to have all installations with the same default anyway |
19:33:09 |
< sepski> |
#agreed change DI default from grafical to text for the pxe installer. |
19:33:54 |
< sepski> |
have anyone tested lwat properly ? does it do everything that is requiered to be able to admin dhcp and bind ? |
19:34:49 |
* jever |
did not |
19:34:50 |
< klausade> |
sepski: in my tests it does. but i realy havent had in full blown production anywere yet. |
19:35:40 |
< sepski> |
besides the obvious add/remove machines. i would think it needed to be able to tweak service names and SRV records. eg you need to use a muncipiality mailserver. and need to change postoffice forinstance. |
19:35:54 |
< sepski> |
or you have a dedicated proxy and need to change webcache |
19:36:34 |
< sepski> |
and what would happen on a nondefault ip range ? |
19:36:51 |
< jever> |
and mass machine imports |
19:37:01 |
< sepski> |
thatone is very important |
19:37:32 |
< danielsan> |
it does not look like you can mange srv-records |
19:38:08 |
< danielsan> |
our predefined srv for ldap, ... are added on install (by the installer), I thing thats it currently |
19:38:22 |
< sepski> |
do we have a requirement list ? and does anyone have time to 1: write one 2: test it ? |
19:39:32 |
< danielsan> |
I will mention the things said here in the summary |
19:40:00 |
< jever> |
what about an upgrade/migrating script for account data? |
19:40:06 |
< sepski> |
klausade, people admining edu installations would hopefully know what they change in their dhcp and bind configs and could help make the requirements. (on the wiki) |
19:40:55 |
< danielsan> |
jever: I'am working on a script updating user entries (for samba) |
19:41:33 |
< danielsan> |
maybe I could make it a general ldap update-script, ... |
19:42:43 |
< sepski> |
we'v spendt 30 mins on status. 15 to go. any other items on lenny status ? |
19:43:12 |
< jever> |
danielsan: fine, so would there be a part in that script, that can seperate the windows-profile-data from the user home and makes it arch-depending? |
19:43:57 |
< danielsan> |
jever: arch-depending as in win9x vs. winxp? |
19:44:24 |
< jever> |
... for not merging NTUSER.DAT's from new Windowsversions |
19:44:26 |
< jever> |
yes |
19:44:26 |
< danielsan> |
sepski: from me no |
19:45:16 |
< sepski> |
jever, does that require ldap changes ? |
19:45:37 |
* danielsan |
currently can't imagen how to do that in LDAP |
19:45:48 |
< jever> |
yes, as in correcting some entries |
19:45:52 |
< danielsan> |
I once did that with a strange samba config |
19:46:15 |
< jever> |
the example I did uses that |
19:46:44 |
< jever> |
all schools I maintained used that |
19:46:49 |
< sepski> |
think that would need to be put into the text acompanying the example since they would go together |
19:47:54 |
< jever> |
sepski: yes, but I need a hint for understanding the Makefile for that case later on |
19:48:19 |
< sepski> |
jever, we'r all here to help |
19:48:40 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 3: debconf9 plans? |
19:48:41 |
-!- Irssi: |
Topic: -: 2: Lenny status http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny |
19:48:41 |
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Topic: +: 3: debconf9 plans? |
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19:48:42 |
< klausade> |
pere: ldap works just fine on a main-server installed with netinst lenny-test from 28.06.09 |
19:48:48 |
< jever> |
I know, but it is great luck that I have time to be here today |
19:48:49 |
< sepski> |
looks like the agenda is very unchanged from last time |
19:49:55 |
< danielsan> |
yeah |
19:50:05 |
< sepski> |
anyone have anything to say about debconf ? |
19:50:11 |
< sepski> |
if not we'll move along |
19:50:41 |
< sepski> |
#topic Meeting in progress agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 4: other business ? |
19:50:41 |
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Topic: -: 3: debconf9 plans? |
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Topic: +: 4: other business ? |
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19:51:05 |
< sepski> |
anyone have something new or off the agenda they want to talk about. |
19:51:07 |
* pere |
is working on the boot system in debian these days. |
19:51:19 |
< pere> |
improvements for squeese. |
19:51:33 |
< danielsan> |
maybe we sould do rc-releases after checking the last bits? |
19:51:38 |
< jever> |
should bet.slx.no be removed? |
19:51:55 |
< jever> |
+a |
19:52:01 |
< klausade> |
anyone looking at http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1354 ? |
19:52:20 |
< sepski> |
jever, if it's not maintained. YES ! |
19:52:48 |
< jever> |
it was the testcase in feb 2008 |
19:53:00 |
< jever> |
and is not used since then |
19:53:21 |
< sepski> |
klausade, i have been. but do not think i get the time to test in a while. would be nice to know if the package in questions is actualy on the dvd or not. (both the meta and the spesific version the meta point to ) |
19:53:32 |
< sepski> |
jever, then i think it should be removed |
19:53:49 |
< sepski> |
old stale cruft does not inspire trust in users. |
19:53:51 |
< jever> |
and arntog is building a new site and wants to come on the server with it |
19:54:30 |
< klausade> |
anyone noticed that expert mode asks a lot more questions on lenny than on etch? |
19:55:00 |
< klausade> |
sepski: i'll find out, and add info to #1354 |
19:55:59 |
< sepski> |
klausade, that is becouse i changes debconf_priority to high from critical. or else we lost important questions in the very early boot. |
19:56:35 |
< klausade> |
sepski: but what was the debconf_priority for expert mode in etch? |
19:56:36 |
< sepski> |
klausade, we can preseed them to seen if they are not important. but i feel expert mode is expert mode and we give the admin the gun to shoot himself in the foot if he so pleases |
19:56:41 |
< sepski> |
critical |
19:56:54 |
< sepski> |
but DI changes made us loose important questions if we used critical |
19:57:33 |
< sepski> |
klausade, are there questions you feel are very unnessecary in a expert install ? |
19:57:45 |
< sepski> |
then we can set those to seen |
19:58:27 |
< klausade> |
sepski: i used to solely use expert mode when i installed etch, worked fine. expert mode in lenny was more trouble that it was worth. but i'll give it another try. |
19:58:58 |
< sepski> |
klausade, what question do you need that you get in expert mode that you do not get regularly ? |
19:59:19 |
< sepski> |
i rarely need to use expert mode |
20:00:36 |
< sepski> |
klausade, test regular install and let us know if we need to change something |
20:00:47 |
< sepski> |
j4v4m4n_, do you want to say a few words about your project ? |
20:02:30 |
< klausade> |
sepski: i need to be able to use the "remote install using ssh" feature, that is only available in expert mode from cd. |
20:02:45 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
sepski, hi I will share some info |
20:04:13 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
we have the state of Kerala already using Free Software, a custom debian distribution in all of its schools |
20:05:24 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
now with effort of the community, the neighboring state of Karnataka is also starting its ICT@School project with GNU/Linux |
20:06:16 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
we are starting the initial phase of training, we chose skolelinux/debian-edu to tap into the excellent work that has been happening |
20:06:41 |
< sepski> |
j4v4m4n_, whats the name of the custom linux distro you used priviously ? |
20:07:02 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
we will need to have support for input methods, fonts and translations for Kannada language |
20:07:47 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
sepski, http://support.space-kerala.org/wiki/index.php/Download_IT@School_GNU/Linux |
20:07:59 |
< j4v4m4n_> |
It is called IT@School GNU/Linux |
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< sepski> |
j4v4m4n_, thanks. you have surely come to the right place |
20:10:08 |
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< danielsan> |
nice |
