The meeting took place on #debian-edu (irc.debian.org), on 2007-11-12 (monday) from 20.01 UTC to 21:05 UTC. It completed in 1 hours and 4 minutes.
- Moderator: Petter Reinholdson
- Log collector: meetbot/jever
- Writing summary: Jürgen Leibner
The full log is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting/20071112/log.
- pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
- danielsan = Daniel Hess
- h01ger = Holger Levsen
- jever = Jürgen Leibner
- an3as = Andreas Tille
- Who writes the summary?
- Preparing 3.0r1
- remaining blocker bugs
- call for translators
- press releases
- status of lenny CD building?
- Next meeting?
The meetbot collected data can be found here.
- Jürgen Leibner writes the summary
Remaining blocker bugs
- There are several P2 bugs open in bugzilla, but some of them are fixed and I am not sure we want to fix the rest.
What about #1234 stay with the fix in d-e-c or use the one on email@example.com? Bug #1234 should be fixed for upgrades too, one way or another. Pere said that at this time, he is willing to go with the fix we have, even if it eats more memory, as the diskless workstations are expected to have more memory. It was discussed how do we handle upgrades of existing ltsp chroots. Currently, we don't. Documenting the fix is one way, but not the best way. The init-script maybe added by some action triggered by the postinst or something when an outdated chroot is found, but general updated are hard currently. Or the init.d script can be included in some package. What about a script to run to fix the chroot, and document that it should be executed to fix it? Ok, we should see by looking into the svn. Pere said, that there is a bunch of packages that differ between etch-test and etch. We should work on getting etch updated, and wrap up the release. These are the packages with changes at the moment:
The list is from http://ftp.skolelinux.no/skolelinux/needs_love.html Danielsan said that he, maybe, should build it on amd64 and not i386. Pere believes that we have enough fixes to proudly release 3.0r1, and urge everyone to help
wrapping up the release. h01ger noticed that #1271 is fixed. Pere hopes to spend some time on it on wednesday. Danielsan will have more time after friday, could work on it on the weekend and h01ger would like to fix some bugs in d-e-doc but that shouldnt block a release.
Call for translators
- jever said that there is a suggestion to use kbabel for translation of the doc package and asked if one can give a configuration for usage for this special case. h01ger just proposed kbabel because translators he trusts told me its the best tool. what special config is needed?? Jever said that kbabel can be confiugured for useage in a project as far as he understood by trying it out. So if one can configure it for translation of the doc package it would be nice. He thinks that one is quickly able to getting involved. h01ger asked, if it isnt for glossaries, to always have consistent translations? (to always translate word foo with bar and not sometimes with baz), but jever thinks that there seems to be more h01ger means, if one managed to find/make one, please contribute it and thinks the norwegian translators are the most advanced in -edu - so maybe ask them? Pere uses kbabel, but only for single .po file translations, nothing fancy in his config. So jever asked if one should delete the suggestion in the wiki and h01ger agreed. wiki.skolelinux.no is accessible for all. www.friprogramvareiskolen.no is not.
On http://wiki.skolelinux.no/UserPreferences one may register to help on docs.
- Pere asked, if there is a wiki page for the press release? If not, we should start on one. h01ger said that it doesnt make sense to push r1 out, if the PR is not ready. Any volunteer to locate and announce the wiki page for the draft press release?
(locate is search and find or create) It should be close to the previous Pressreleases No volunteer for the press release page was found.
A status wikipage about lenny is here: Lennyroadmap Pere said that the main task for lenny will be merging with the educational stuff from extremadura / linex. an3as said, that If there is an *urgent* need for sponsoring linex stuff he would try to support this effort. Their experience with teacher feedback and scaling should make a major difference. He urgeed everyone to help them to get all their packages into debian/main and make them translatable to norwegian, german, french and english. Pere plans to start working on the lenny release as soon as 3.0r1 is out.
Jever asked if there are ideas about implementing something like a groupware such as egroupware Pere believes that schooltool (or schoolbell to be exact), provide a calendar but h01ger thinks that schooltool is dead or sleeping very well http://www.schooltool.org/products/schoolbell jever thinks that it maybe a better to do all groupware things with such an aplikation as with much single tools spreaded around. h01ger nods jever, but there are other tools for this as well. So while he think its good to preconfigure one, we should also provide ways to integrate other tools. jever means that the features of the groupware should have, are mailing, calendaring, cms, project, ... so all the thing one may need to put teams together.
h01ger asked if moodle and/or kdepim/evolution also have (some of) these features? h01ger means that's the challenge.. and an3as notes that exactly this was his idea: We need to attract them! jever thinks that it's not a choise if you *realy* want to groupware. Pere just want a shared calendar and resource scheduling. an3as thinks about doctors in Extremadura will follow Pere noticed, that we all have great plans for lenny and means that this is good. h01ger likes in general jevers idea and he just thinks that the devil is in the implementation detail. Preselecting one solution _and_ allowing other schools to use different solutions.. So if one want to start to develop a plan how to achieve that.... great! And h01ger thinks, we should have such a plan first (doesnt have to be _the_ _long_ and _detailed_ masterplan, but a plan), before we should agree to put that on the roadmap. currently i'd say, "we have groupwares. apt-get install $your_poison" jever will implement egroupware @home, and might figure out, how to preconfigure it for school usage, hopefully. Pere agreed, but suspect we could include some more features in debian-edu, when people want to work on it. He has nothing against moodle working out of the box, a shared calender, automatic scheduling (we already got it using tablix), etc. We should definitly improve the out-of-the-box-ness
Status of lenny CD building
As far as pere knows, is the state that sep (Ronny) started working on this, discovered the need for two different versions of debian-cd to build it, started on the work to handle two build trees, and never had time to complete it. h01ger remembers too. Pere means, that those willing to work on it will be given pointers and required access to the build host. We really need to get the CD building working soon, to be able to detect bugs in the lenny configuration and to get some focus on reducing the number of config file editing we do using cfengine.
- Next meeting will take place on Monday November, 26th at 19 UTC (20 CET) (#debian-edu at irc.debian.org) We hope that many will set their alarms and attend.