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18:00:22 |
* pere |
= Petter Reinholdtsen |
18:00:28 |
pere |
so, lets start this meeting. |
18:00:28 |
* danielsan |
= Daniel Hess |
18:00:49 |
pere |
no andreas tille, no summary writer? |
18:00:49 |
* zobel |
= Martin Zobel-Helas |
18:01:38 |
danielsan |
it seems so |
18:01:42 |
pere |
no h01ger, no log collector either. |
18:02:14 |
danielsan |
collecting the log is no problem, if h01ger does not show up, i could dump my log to the wiki |
18:03:24 |
pere |
ok. so only the log collector is missing. |
18:04:11 |
pere |
any volunteer to write the summary and post it on the wiki and the mailing list? |
18:05:56 |
pere |
without anyone writing the summary, very few will notice what happened during the meeting, and we can just as well skip the meeting and pretend it did not happen. |
18:08:29 |
danielsan |
the agenda seems to be short enough to not make a long summary, so if no one else, ... |
18:08:47 |
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18:08:47 |
pere |
great. thank you. |
18:09:03 |
pere |
so, the worms can safely come out of the woodwork now. |
18:09:24 |
pere |
if you are present during the meeting, please help the summary writer by using /me = Full Name. |
18:09:43 |
pere |
First on the agenda is "Status of 3.0r1 release". |
18:10:51 |
danielsan |
the big blocker are the documentation and some bugs that should be fixed, right? |
18:11:27 |
pere |
well, my approach is to release whatever we have ready at the moment, so for me the blocker is lack of time. |
18:11:48 |
pere |
I had some time last weekend, but did not manage to get the release ready. |
18:11:56 |
pere |
and then I did not have much time left. |
18:12:28 |
pere |
there are several fixes waiting in etch-test that should be pushed into stable, and that is quite a lot of work involving several people. |
18:12:47 |
pere |
a few of them are in, but there are several left. |
18:12:59 |
danielsan |
i'm currently busy finishing my "project work" (Projektarbeit) at my univerity, so i can start my diploma thesis, so i can't help much currently |
18:13:18 |
pere |
everyone seem to be busy, yeah. |
18:13:29 |
pere |
a new doc package is really needed. |
18:13:52 |
pere |
and I would love to have fixed lwat, without the embarrasing password bug. |
18:13:59 |
pere |
not sure how far winnie and finnarne is on that work. |
18:14:22 |
pere |
there is also the adaptec raid problem, but no solution is known so far. |
18:14:55 |
pere |
bugzilla need some sorting, to make sure the P1-P2 bugs are bugs we really want to have fixed in r1. |
18:15:10 |
danielsan |
did not somebody write, that this controller is very common in the servers used in norway? |
18:15:17 |
pere |
I wrote that. |
18:15:34 |
pere |
and some report success, while other report problems, and no-one have been able to pinpoint what trigger the failure. |
18:15:57 |
danielsan |
bad |
18:16:02 |
pere |
yeah. |
18:16:22 |
pere |
so, r1 need more work, and people pushing fixed packages into stable from etch-test. |
18:16:39 |
pere |
more on this agenda point? |
18:16:47 |
danielsan |
not from me |
18:16:57 |
pere |
Next agenda point: Release notes up to date and ready for translators? |
18:17:11 |
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18:17:17 |
pere |
I put the point on the agenda, because I want to get more focus on the documentation. |
18:17:46 |
pere |
did someone read it lately? I suspect it could use some cleanup before we tell the translators to start working. |
18:18:11 |
Andreas |
Hi, just back from the off. Telekom changed my DSL-Splitter and my live starts again (hopefully). |
18:18:16 |
danielsan |
i would like to improve some sections (about lwat and windows workstation in the network) but have not found time so far |
18:18:26 |
pere |
Andreas: hi. please /me = Full Name for the summary writer. |
18:18:38 |
* Andreas |
= Andreas Tille |
18:18:46 |
pere |
Andreas: danielsan volunteered to write the summary in your absence. |
18:19:10 |
Andreas |
I hope to be able to write the summary of the next meeting when I can take part all time. |
18:19:24 |
pere |
if everyone have a look and improve the doc, we can get good release notes done soon. |
18:19:43 |
pere |
(not that the release notes are bad. We send admins there all the time here in norway when they ask questions. |
18:19:53 |
klausade |
pere: seems the fix in munin-node 1.2.5-2.0.edu.etch.3 for df_inode didn't work. df graphs partitions with +, while df_inode doesn't, or so it seems. |
18:20:56 |
pere |
klausade: damned. :/ |
18:22:04 |
pere |
when arriving, please use /me = Full Name. |
18:22:13 |
pere |
so, is the release notes ready for the translators? |
18:23:03 |
pere |
if any of you have time to check out the release notes, which are available from http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch, please let the list know when you checked it and if you believe it is ready for translators or not. |
18:23:09 |
pere |
should we move on? |
18:23:32 |
danielsan |
it is better then it was the last time i looked at it, but i would say it still needs some love |
18:23:37 |
danielsan |
yes, please |
18:23:56 |
pere |
Next agenda point: Next step to use cdd-dev tool (Andreas) |
18:24:27 |
danielsan |
pere: not your point 3? |
18:24:41 |
danielsan |
ah |
18:24:42 |
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18:24:46 |
pere |
lets do that afterwards, and use Andreas when he is present. |
18:25:52 |
pere |
when arriving, please use /me = Full Name. |
18:26:25 |
Andreas |
Ah, yes, sorry I was on a differnet screen |
18:26:37 |
Andreas |
So, cdd-dev 0.4 is out and in testing. |
18:27:00 |
Andreas |
The only necessary change to build the next debian-edu packages would be to exchange debian/rules |
18:27:10 |
Andreas |
and optionally the Makefile |
18:27:30 |
Andreas |
I'd suggest to do this immediately after R1 release |
18:27:52 |
Andreas |
I was waiting for comments on the versioned dependency againt education-tasks |
18:28:00 |
Andreas |
Any opinions? |
18:28:40 |
pere |
I am positive, as long as the generated control file, the tasksel task and the package list do not change because of the replacement. |
18:29:10 |
Andreas |
Well, they change regarding the versioned dependency which was originally not bound to a version |
18:29:45 |
pere |
I saw it when I uploaded the new debian-edu package, and concluded that it should not do any harm. |
18:30:12 |
* klausade |
= klaus ade johnstad |
18:30:13 |
Andreas |
Ah, right I remember that I changed gen-control regarding to this |
18:30:28 |
Andreas |
So yes, the resulting control file should not differ from the current. |
18:30:50 |
Andreas |
I take this as agreement to change afterr 3.0R1, right? |
18:31:28 |
pere |
well, I want the new debian-edu package into r1, but switching to cdd-dev should probably wait. |
18:31:52 |
pere |
anything more on this? I am not quite ready to start on the live cd stuff. |
18:32:41 |
Andreas |
I hope we could alöso generalise live cd stuff into cdd-dev to enable other CDDs |
18:32:45 |
Andreas |
profit from this. |
18:32:59 |
Andreas |
IMHO this is a great topic for 17.-21. October in Extremadura |
18:34:33 |
pere |
yeah. |
18:34:54 |
pere |
so, finished eating, and ready for the live stuff. should we move on? |
18:35:01 |
Andreas |
yes |
18:35:03 |
danielsan |
|
18:35:11 |
Andreas |
hope you had a nice dinner |
18:35:20 |
pere |
Next agenda point: Plans for live images (Petter) |
18:35:23 |
Andreas |
BTW, I'm very keen on Spanish food! |
18:35:52 |
pere |
I've been looking at the live cd/dvd situation, and have a few observations. |
18:36:39 |
pere |
first of all, the cfengine rules are incomplete. some of the config changes are done in the postinst script and d-i hooks, and this do not happen when I build the live images. this is annoying, and we need to move those config changes into the debian-edu-config package. |
18:37:31 |
pere |
next, the german live image did not include any LTSP server stuff. I saw claims that it was a working thin client server fitting on a CD, but that is just not true. /opt/ltsp/ is missing on that live CD. |
18:38:18 |
pere |
last, the NFS kernel server do not work properly with unionfs. I hope the user space server work, but it is not a valid dependency for ltsp-server. will need more work to get that stuff together. |
18:38:48 |
pere |
so, for the future. |
18:39:34 |
danielsan |
does the userspace nfs-server not have other drawbacks? |
18:39:39 |
pere |
I believe the standalone image is working just fine. the only design question to resolve is whether the students kde kiosk mode should be enabled on it or not. at the moment it is enabled, but I am not sure it is the correct approach. |
18:40:25 |
pere |
danielsan: it might be slightly slower, but actually have other advantages. I believe it look up netgroups when needed, and not only when exportfs is called to make the content of /etc/exports known to the kernel. |
18:41:28 |
danielsan |
pere: so your plan is, to support not only standalone but also a whole skolelinux netowrk from live-cd? |
18:41:38 |
pere |
the other image I am building, the main-server+thin-client-server, have several problems. the nfs issues is one thing. there is also bugs in the network setup, breaking bind9, squid, slapd and others. I am slowly approaching a point where the server actually boot as it should. not yet, as the resolv.conf file is bad. |
18:41:51 |
pere |
danielsan: yes. |
18:42:03 |
danielsan |
cool |
18:42:05 |
pere |
I want a main-server + thin-client-server with the diskless workstation stuff enabled. |
18:42:16 |
pere |
but that will not fit on a CD. I hope it will fit on a DVD. |
18:42:30 |
pere |
the two iso images are ~1.2 GiB at the moment. |
18:42:50 |
pere |
I expect the diskless workstation stuff will add 1 GiB to the image. |
18:43:08 |
pere |
it is still within the 4.4 GiB limit of a DVD, so it should work. |
18:43:33 |
danielsan |
that would be nice |
18:44:10 |
pere |
I welcome help with the build. the scripts for building is in src/build/live-CD/. You need a lot of disk space ~10 GiB, and a debian mirror available. |
18:45:05 |
* danielsan |
would like to, but has to finish the other stuff first, sorry |
18:45:20 |
pere |
there is a new live image package available, and it removed the make-live script I use. It is replaced with other scripts, so to upgrade on a.s.n, I need to rewrite the build.sh script to use the new interface. |
18:46:03 |
pere |
the new packages fixes a few annoying bugs, for example that the build process changes the hostname of the build host during build. this of course affect the services running on the build host. |
18:46:15 |
pere |
any questions? |
18:47:19 |
pere |
Next agenda point: Next meeting? |
18:47:39 |
danielsan |
yes, we should have one |
18:48:30 |
danielsan |
but maybe we need to promote it a bit more, so more people will attend |
18:49:26 |
pere |
yeah. |
18:49:32 |
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18:50:03 |
?AnTi |
Uhm, DSL remains weak. :-((( |
18:50:11 |
danielsan |
daily remainders to the ml? |
18:50:39 |
pere |
danielsan: not sure what will work to get people to show up. perhaps a new try to find a time that suit most people? |
18:50:55 |
pere |
improved DSL links might work too... |
18:51:03 |
danielsan |
a call for votes on the list? |
18:51:57 |
pere |
worth a try. but I suspect we should fix the date and time for next meeting now, to make sure that do not depend on a process that might or might not conclude some time in the future. |
18:52:27 |
?AnTi |
Hmmm, just bought a brand new professional Funkwerk "Bintec R230a" - profesional thing with ssh login, DynDNS, VPN etc |
18:52:56 |
?AnTi |
... and learned that my old simple one is contouning working, while the new super duper profesional thingy seems to have trouble with |
18:53:06 |
?AnTi |
384 kBit :-(((( |
18:53:25 |
?AnTi |
Yes - I'm living inside the wood which is nice except of DSL-speed |
18:53:25 |
pere |
any suggestions on a date for the next meeting? |
18:53:44 |
danielsan |
in two weeks? |
18:53:49 |
pere |
ok |
18:54:01 |
danielsan |
same or other day? |
18:54:03 |
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18:54:22 |
* ?AnTi |
= Andreas Tille |
18:54:23 |
pere |
I would rather move it away from monday, while avoiding tuesday and thursday. |
18:54:37 |
?AnTi |
I'd like to avoid Wednesday |
18:54:58 |
?AnTi |
Or perhaps Wednesday at 21:00? |
18:55:12 |
?AnTi |
I mean 19:00 UTC |
18:55:16 |
danielsan |
thursday and friday does not work for me in two weeks, rest of the week would be ok for me |
18:55:32 |
pere |
I am busy the 24th and 25th. |
18:55:51 |
pere |
26-30 is ok with me. |
18:56:32 |
pere |
26th 21:00? |
18:56:41 |
?AnTi |
Would be fine for me. |
18:56:47 |
danielsan |
me too |
18:57:05 |
pere |
what about the rest? |
18:57:16 |
pere |
klausade? |
18:57:28 |
pere |
zobel? |
18:58:14 |
pere |
ok. lets make it official. thanks for participating. see you around. |
18:58:16 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: next meeting monday 2007-09-10 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST), http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting |
18:58:16 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: next meeting monday 2007-09-26 19:00 UTC (21:00 CEST), http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting |
18:58:16 |
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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: release command center | Debian-Edu/Skolelinux 3.0 codename "Terra" released | work on 3.0r1 going on | next meeting monday 2007-09-26 19:00 UTC (21:00 CEST), http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting |