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18:01:15 |
* danielsan |
= Daniel Hess |
18:01:51 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: release command center | Debian-Edu/Skolelinux 3.0 codename "Terra" released | work on 3.0r1 going on | next meeting *today* 2007-08-23 18:00 UTC (20:00 CET) |
18:01:51 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 1: Who can write the summary? |
18:01:51 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 1: Who can write the summary? |
18:02:17 |
sepski |
everyone acknowledge their presense with /me = Real Name |
18:02:23 |
* sepski |
= Ronny Aasen |
18:02:28 |
* Andreas |
= Andreas Tille |
18:03:10 |
* pere |
= Petter Reinholdtsen |
18:04:02 |
sepski |
agenda 1: Who can write the summary? the summary is critical for the common knowledge. so i don't think we should continue without a summary writer. |
18:05:29 |
Andreas |
question from newbee: I don't know your summaries but would be a complete log suffice for the common knowledge? |
18:06:19 |
sepski |
Andreas, the log is allways put on the wiki. but the summaries are posted on the mailinglists in addition to the wikies. and ofcourse the summaries only contains the meat of the meeting and not all the discussion. |
18:07:09 |
sepski |
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting/20070813 for an example of the minutes /summary |
18:08:16 |
pere |
the summary is very important to let those not present know what was discussed here. |
18:10:41 |
pere |
Andreas: do you have time to write the summary? |
18:11:11 |
Andreas |
Well, I could say no, but if wee wait much longer there will be nothing to summarize. |
18:11:44 |
sepski |
Andreas, is that a yes ? |
18:12:04 |
* winnie |
= Patrick Winnertz |
18:13:42 |
sepski |
winnie, welcome. we'r still at agenda point 1 looking for someone to write the summary |
18:14:07 |
winnie |
no sorry. I can only partly attend since i have to pack things for holidays tomorrow |
18:14:29 |
danielsan |
if it's like last meeting random people should show up now |
18:17:42 |
winnie |
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18:17:55 |
winnie |
20 minutes over without having anything discussed... |
18:18:05 |
sepski |
I guess the log will have to suffice. does anyone claim ownership of 2: Status of press coverage and wants to say anything about it. |
18:18:10 |
* jever |
= Jürgen Leibner |
18:18:14 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 1: Who can write the summary? |
18:18:14 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 2: Status of press coverage |
18:18:14 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 2: Status of press coverage |
18:18:27 |
pere |
sepski: I do not really see the point of holding a meeting with no-one to write the summary. |
18:19:01 |
pere |
it means most of the stuff we discuss here today will be forgotten. |
18:19:04 |
sepski |
pere, i am inclined to agree, since nobody will take notice of what went down here anyway |
18:19:14 |
sepski |
(who truly reads the logs on the wiki) |
18:19:33 |
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18:19:51 |
jever |
the summary writer, may be |
18:19:57 |
winnie |
fine |
18:20:04 |
pere |
jever: do you have time to write the summary? |
18:20:25 |
jever |
if you ask me, I will do it |
18:20:31 |
sepski |
jever, please... |
18:20:39 |
danielsan |
jever: please |
18:20:44 |
pere |
jever: everyone is asked. it is the open issue of today. |
18:21:12 |
jever |
sepski: yes, I will write it to help ou |
18:21:17 |
jever |
+t |
18:21:28 |
danielsan |
jever: thanks |
18:21:35 |
sepski |
jever, thanks, we casn finaly begin |
18:21:39 |
sepski |
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18:21:49 |
pere |
20 minutes spent on that. |
18:21:54 |
sepski |
anyone that have anything to say about 2: Status of press coverage |
18:21:57 |
pere |
40 minutes to go. |
18:22:09 |
pere |
one thing |
18:22:27 |
pere |
we should try to merge the different lists of press coverage into one list, and join forces to keep that list updated. |
18:23:04 |
sepski |
do you know the urls for the different lists for the record ? |
18:23:54 |
pere |
http://wiki.skolelinux.no/Presse links to the other two. |
18:24:20 |
pere |
if someone have time to merge, it would be great. |
18:24:35 |
pere |
(and perhaps translate it to english. |
18:24:45 |
sepski |
multilanguage all in one page ? |
18:25:17 |
pere |
yes, why not. I am interested in how much press coverage we get in other countries. |
18:26:59 |
winnie |
okay move to the next topic? |
18:27:07 |
sepski |
sounds like a good idea to me. if someone can merge and redirect http://wiki.skolelinux.de/Presse/Texte into http://wiki.skolelinux.no/Presse it would be great, |
18:27:20 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 2: Status of press coverage |
18:27:20 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 3: Preparing for release 3.0r1 | rough schedule |
18:27:20 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 3: Preparing for release 3.0r1 - rough schedule |
18:27:36 |
sepski |
3: Preparing for release 3.0r1 - rough schedule who wants to say anything about 3.0r1 ? |
18:27:39 |
danielsan |
there is a roadmap here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/roadmap |
18:28:08 |
danielsan |
it consists of the points made by pere some time ago in an e-mail to debian-edu@l.d.o |
18:28:23 |
sepski |
i think i can spend some time on the cd build |
18:28:32 |
danielsan |
would be nice if people could add their points and clain points they are working on |
18:29:04 |
pere |
are anyone interested in collecting windows installers of free software for the live DVD images? |
18:29:22 |
danielsan |
s/clain/claim/ |
18:29:32 |
pere |
I can look into how to copy that stuff on the image, but do not know how to select the software. |
18:29:34 |
jever |
is there a chance to get a new install profile on the dvd? |
18:29:48 |
pere |
jever: what do you mean? |
18:30:22 |
danielsan |
pere: things like openoffice.org, GIMP and so on? |
18:30:31 |
pere |
yeah. |
18:30:36 |
jever |
I was asked, if one can have something like a portal server as an install profile |
18:30:56 |
danielsan |
i think we should create a subpage and list software with direct links to the downloads there |
18:31:15 |
danielsan |
if enough gets in there it may be worth including it |
18:31:22 |
jever |
here is a company which develops such software and wants to integrate it perhaps |
18:31:24 |
winnie |
jever: i think this is to specialised. afaik there is a barebone profile... |
18:31:41 |
sepski |
jever, my impression is that each site want to customize their own portal, also this might be a part of national central authentication schemes like FEIDE in norway. |
18:32:06 |
pere |
did anyone check out the bugzilla bugs lately? they need to be checked and their priority updated. |
18:32:42 |
pere |
anyway, rough schedule for r1 is the topic. I say we make a new release at the end of this month with the changes present then. |
18:32:46 |
winnie |
pere: i looked over the bugzilla bugs of lwat and i think some of them are closed now |
18:32:55 |
pere |
winnie: did you close them? |
18:32:59 |
jever |
yes, so a platform server with needed components and connection to the tjener and authentication can be profiled? |
18:33:13 |
winnie |
pere: not yet, they are assigned to finnarne and finnarne should have a look over them |
18:33:58 |
pere |
winnie: well, finnarne has made it clear that he very rarely look at the bugzilla bugs, so we should not wait for that to happen. |
18:34:01 |
sepski |
jever, that's the present barebone profile. you can add your needed portal / application to that |
18:34:28 |
jever |
sepski: ah, ok, so we will try it |
18:34:33 |
pere |
winnie: so someone need to check if the bug is present, and close it if it is fixed. we need to reduce the noise in bugzilla. |
18:34:38 |
winnie |
pere: i wrote him that he should do K;-) |
18:35:04 |
pere |
winnie: did you add a comment to the ones you believe are fixed now? if not, please do. |
18:35:20 |
pere |
that way the next person to have alook at the bug will know that you believe it is fixed. |
18:35:27 |
winnie |
pere: okay I'm on my way to do so |
18:35:28 |
sepski |
ok r1: check the roadmap, check bugzilla verify new ones. and fix verified bugs, we move on unless someone have more to add. |
18:35:43 |
pere |
are there any protests to release with what we got? |
18:36:09 |
winnie |
pere: docu is missing |
18:36:09 |
danielsan |
pere: if it's enough to have something to announce |
18:36:16 |
pere |
I really do not want us to extend the scope of r1 until it become a very large proejct to get it released. |
18:36:26 |
pere |
danielsan: it is definitely enough to announce news, yes. |
18:36:50 |
pere |
we should push a few packages from etch-test to etch to polish it even further. |
18:37:43 |
* danielsan |
would like to the lwat with updated german translation |
18:38:13 |
danielsan |
s/the/see/ |
18:38:19 |
pere |
danielsan: is the updated translation in bts? |
18:38:37 |
danielsan |
pere: no, not yet |
18:38:41 |
winnie |
danielsan: still missing... :S |
18:38:50 |
pere |
well, nothing to wait for, then. |
18:38:51 |
danielsan |
but i'll add it if that helps |
18:39:28 |
sepski |
ok we move on. 20 mins left |
18:39:54 |
sepski |
4: version number and code name for the next release - didnt we do this last meeting ? r1 have no new name and lenny is to far ahead to bother with it now |
18:39:56 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 3: Preparing for release 3.0r1 | rough schedule |
18:39:56 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 4: version number and code name for the next release |
18:39:56 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 4: version number and code name for the next release |
18:40:08 |
winnie |
danielsan: i think yes.. this would be a reminder for finnarne & me |
18:40:33 |
winnie |
sepski: we should move this to a meeting after r1 |
18:40:58 |
sepski |
winnie, agreed |
18:41:09 |
pere |
sepski: nope, we did not discuss it last time, because of the reasons you stated. |
18:41:33 |
sepski |
i still think we dont need to discuss lennys edu codename yet |
18:41:38 |
pere |
I agree, put it on hold until we start working on lenny stuff. |
18:41:52 |
sepski |
5:developing a development strategy for lenny, postponed from last time since it's huge |
18:41:54 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 4: version number and code name for the next release |
18:41:54 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 5:developing a development strategy for lenny |
18:41:54 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 5:developing a development strategy for lenny |
18:42:24 |
danielsan |
last meeting it was sugested to handle this point at the meeting in Extremadura |
18:42:46 |
pere |
I would like us to start building lenny images as soon as r1 is out, from our own repository. this will give us working images while we spend time to reduce the amount of packages in our repository. |
18:42:52 |
danielsan |
but h01ger was not here to say something about that (as he has a plan) |
18:43:16 |
pere |
I know h01ger want us to not build from our own repository, in the belief that it will make us more focused on fixing stuff in lenny. |
18:43:48 |
pere |
I suspect his strategy will give us less motivated developers spending time elsewhere, and not developers focused on fixing stuff in lenny. :/ |
18:43:54 |
winnie |
i think too we should build at first from our own repro |
18:44:12 |
sepski |
pere, a good plan for integration into debian, but it makes it harder for non DD's to test their stuff since they need a sponsored upload first |
18:44:29 |
danielsan |
winnie: me too, things may change later, but for now, ... |
18:44:47 |
winnie |
for now we have too much packages which aren't in debian or aren't in testing |
18:44:54 |
winnie |
so we should use our own repro |
18:44:56 |
pere |
we do not need to conclude today, so I suggest we talk about this in extremadura. now you know some of the ideas, at least. |
18:44:59 |
sepski |
if we went that path we realy must build from sid in any case |
18:45:53 |
sepski |
we move on ? |
18:46:16 |
pere |
yeah |
18:46:18 |
sepski |
6: Extremadura 2007 - who have something to say ? ( 15 minutes left ) |
18:46:20 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 5:developing a development strategy for lenny |
18:46:20 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 6: Extremadura 2007 |
18:46:20 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 6: Extremadura 2007 |
18:46:34 |
winnie |
okay, i made a summary who have when time: |
18:46:36 |
pere |
I would like to go to spain, but it depend on the dates. |
18:47:01 |
winnie |
so atm: Ocotober: 3; November: 1; December: 2 |
18:47:16 |
winnie |
danielsan: i moved you into december... |
18:48:14 |
danielsan |
for me it would depend on the exact date for october and november |
18:48:29 |
pere |
one idea came up yesterday, to hold it close to the OOo-conference, <URL: http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/ >. |
18:48:29 |
winnie |
the most who wants to go in october would like to have something in the german holidays (Andreas & me) |
18:48:29 |
pere |
winnie: I believe those "votes" are bogus, as at least my votes do not cover an entire month. |
18:48:37 |
winnie |
pere: i only looked at the month, yes. |
18:48:50 |
sepski |
winnie, if there is a wikipage url where people can sign up/mark the dates that fits the best it would be nice to have it in the summary. |
18:48:57 |
pere |
one way to do it is to get everyone interested to state when they are unable to go, and then see what "holes" in the calendar apepars. |
18:49:09 |
winnie |
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18:49:11 |
winnie |
ups |
18:49:20 |
winnie |
|
18:50:12 |
pere |
winnie: can you collect info from everyone about when they _can't_ join, and then try to find such holes? |
18:50:14 |
sepski |
pity i'm so low on time and money :| |
18:50:23 |
winnie |
okay |
18:50:35 |
pere |
sepski: travel and lodging is covered by the local area government. |
18:50:52 |
winnie |
pere: since i'm for ~1,5 weeks in holdays (unitl 3. sep) it would be good if everybody can sign up *now* on this page |
18:51:13 |
pere |
winnie: well, then someone else need to do it, as that is not going to happen _now_. |
18:51:30 |
sepski |
pere, one problem less |
18:51:46 |
sepski |
9 minutes left. if there is nothing else, we'll move on |
18:52:05 |
winnie |
i know |
18:52:15 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 6: Extremadura 2007 |
18:52:15 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 7: Common CDD tools |
18:52:15 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 7: Common CDD tools |
18:52:17 |
sepski |
7 Common CDD tools |
18:53:05 |
sepski |
* Andreas has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) broke this one i guess |
18:53:13 |
pere |
not quite |
18:53:49 |
pere |
he is working on converting debian-edu to use the common CDD tools, trying to converge the different CDDs to use a common set of tools. I believe this is a good idea. |
18:54:25 |
pere |
his strategy so far is to take the debian-edu tools, remove the debian-edu specific hardcoded stuff and make it more configurable. next convert our packages to use the new tools. |
18:55:10 |
pere |
the positive effect is that we can get help from other cdds to maintain and improve the tools. the negative effect is that it become slightly harder to modify the tools (have to send then through the cdd-tools maintainer). |
18:55:33 |
pere |
luckily, we can all become part of the cdd project and do the work directly there, so it is not a big problem. |
18:55:42 |
pere |
any objections to this work? |
18:56:39 |
sepski |
sounds like a great idea. i think the benefits are worth the drawbacks |
18:56:41 |
pere |
of not, I believe we should send our gratitude to andreas tille and move on. |
18:57:08 |
* danielsan |
likes the idea too |
18:57:32 |
pere |
2 minutes left. |
18:57:36 |
sepski |
do we need to address the subpoints individually ? eg : Usage of SVN (trunk?) should we answer that ? |
18:57:56 |
pere |
well, I guess he wonder about them. can we answer them? |
18:58:07 |
sepski |
i can't. can you ? |
18:58:24 |
pere |
not really. I believe it is ok to work on trunk, but only if we are careful. |
18:58:38 |
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Irssi: Topic: -: 7: Common CDD tools |
18:58:38 |
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Irssi: Topic: +: 8; Next meeting? |
18:58:38 |
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sepski changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Debian-Edu/Skolelinux meeting in progress | Agenda on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting | 8; Next meeting? |
18:58:47 |
sepski |
Next meeting any suggestions for date ? |
18:59:18 |
pere |
wednesday 29th? |
18:59:33 |
pere |
or saturday 1th? |
18:59:51 |
* h01ger |
waves - sorry, RL took its toll... |
18:59:53 |
sepski |
is the goal to release r1 that weekend ? 1th ? |
19:00:04 |
pere |
it is a goal for me, at least. |
19:00:09 |
sepski |
h01ger, RL tends to do that |
19:00:36 |
sepski |
anyone have objections towards saturday 1th? |
19:01:20 |
sepski |
i'd like it a bit later then now. and i think the late turnup of most participants show that we might push it to 19:00 UTC (21:00 CET ) |
19:01:26 |
danielsan |
i'm far away taking part on a ham-radio contest on saturday 1th, ... |
19:02:38 |
danielsan |
but i'm sure you will do well without me |
19:02:42 |
sepski |
also remind on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting/VoteForDate perhaps we can update thatone to make date choosing easier. |
19:03:11 |
sepski |
danielsan, we need everyone we can get our claws into |
19:03:55 |
pere |
so, when do we meet? |
19:04:06 |
sepski |
we just need to set the next date so it can be announced in the meeting summary then we can finish for today. |
19:04:08 |
pere |
what about friday 30th? |
19:04:13 |
pere |
31th, I mean. |
19:04:49 |
sepski |
i allways say ok since i dont have plans more then ~30 mins into the future |
19:05:12 |
sepski |
anyone objects to 31 ? |
19:05:17 |
danielsan |
that should work for me |
19:05:23 |
sepski |
then that's done. |
19:05:46 |
sepski |
jever, thanks again for writing the summary. |
19:05:52 |
sepski |
meeting is done |
19:05:53 |
* danielsan |
would like to see other people here, was a bit low the last few meetings |
19:06:07 |
sepski |
btw : same time or later ? |
19:06:16 |
jever |
sepski: if I can help I do |
19:06:23 |
danielsan |
other people too (not that the one here are not ok |
19:06:30 |
pere |
I would prefer it not to be any later. |
19:06:35 |
sepski |
ok then we stick with now |
