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12:00:32

pere

so, lets start the meeting

12:00:44

winnie

pere: ah okay

12:00:49

pere

everyone present, please send /me = Full Name for the summary

12:00:53

* winnie

= Patrick Winnertz

12:00:54

* pere

= Petter Reinholdtsen

12:01:07

klausade

pere: just did a successfull install of thinclient-server with etch-test-cd from 10:41 this morning.

12:01:13

* klausade

= Klaus Ade Johnstad

12:02:00

pere

who can write the summary?

12:02:29

winnie

I can if nobody else volunteers

12:02:36

winnie

pere: should I ping white?

12:03:06

pere

winnie: I do not know what you two have agreed on.

12:03:32

klausade

winnie: ping white. the more we are the better.

12:03:35

pere

winnie: great. summary writer in place. next topic is the status of the release.

12:03:37

winnie

pere: he asks me that i should ping him if we need him or if we are going to release

12:04:14

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Irssi: Topic: -: release command center | phase 2: images in place, last testing in progress main-server+workstation confirmed (white) | Meeting today 12:00 UTC (14:00 CET), http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:04:14

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.1 remaining p1+p2 bugs | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:04:14

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.1 remaining p1+p2 bugs | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:04:32

pere

as far as I know, there are no pri 1 or pri 2 bugs open.

12:04:40

pere

I take that to mean we are ready to release.

12:05:02

* danielsan

= Daniel Hess

12:05:28

winnie

pere: pinged

12:05:36

pere

anyone want to say anything about the p1 and p2 priority bugs?

12:05:56

klausade

does samba now ork?

12:06:00

* winnie

has now overview about the bugs but I'm quering atm the bugzilla

12:06:12

pere

klausade: as far as the testers report, yes.

12:06:15

* jever

= Jürgen Leibner

12:06:23

pere

klausade: only tested on XP, I believe, and not on vista.

12:06:32

danielsan

klausade: at least with XP it works

12:06:41

pere

but the bug with incorrect LDAP content is fixed.

12:07:08

pere

anything else?

12:07:23

winnie

pere: okay, white told me that i reping him if it is really necessary that he is here

12:07:26

winnie

he has to work

12:07:38

pere

next point

12:07:40

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.1 remaining p1+p2 bugs

12:07:40

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.2 Ready to release

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.2 Ready to release | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:08:20

pere

I believe we are ready to release, and have copied the etch images from this morning into ~ftp/skolelinux-cd/ as 3.0r0 images.

12:09:09

winnie

pere: there are no open bugs around in the bugzilla

12:09:26

klausade

the pressrelease says that USB memory stick's works on "Lowfat clients". Anybody managed that? I didn't.

12:09:27

pere

some last minute changes did not make it into the release. russian translation and a fix for the ldap ssl cert stuff did not make it. also, the update artwork package did not make it because of strange build problems.

12:09:52

winnie

pere: so we have some news for r1 ;-)

12:09:59

pere

klausade: yes, that is confirmed to work. needed two more directories to be writable for dbus to run and hal to work.

12:10:41

klausade

pere: good.

12:10:55

klausade

testing that now.

12:11:26

* danielsan

is rsyncing amd64 cd and dvd now to test on real hardware amd64

12:12:21

pere

any other comments and questions regarding the distro?

12:13:27

winnie

I'll see this will be a short meeting ;-)

12:13:29

pere

as this will be the real release, I plan to do it silently, perhaps with a simple email to debian-edu@ notifying the existence of the images, and leave the rest of the announcement work to the press team. I assume they will email all those that used to get an announcement, as well as a bunch of new addresses.

12:14:09

winnie

pere: am I allowed to make an blog entry

12:14:14

klausade

pere: seems to be the sensible way.

12:14:18

winnie

this will show up at planet.debian.org

12:14:24

pere

I guess we should update <URL: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes to document the last minutes changes.

12:14:45

pere

winnie: sure. it is not secret. I just do not want to send too many duplicates to the lists and contacts.

12:15:01

winnie

pere: fine :)

12:15:33

pere

today is the release day, but I suspect the press team will do most of the announcing tomorrow, when journalists are working.

12:15:40

akai

online

12:15:41

akai

:-)

12:15:51

pere

everyone present, please send /me = Full Name for the summary

12:15:52

akai

i've just spoken to h01ger and knuty

12:15:58

* akai

= Anders Kringstad Hanssen

12:16:11

* winnie

= Patrick Winnertz

12:16:14

pere

akai: press info is the next topic on the agenda.

12:16:27

akai

okay, let me recap how it stands as of now

12:16:31

pere

anything more to add regarding the release?

12:16:47

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.2 Ready to release

12:16:47

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.3 release notes and press release

12:16:47

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.3 release notes and press release | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:16:53

pere

akai: go ahead.

12:17:18

akai

We're working on getting schools that publicly want to endorse their usage of Skolelinux

12:18:17

klausade

akai: I managed to get contact with three, that are actually even using etch.

12:18:18

akai

i'll include those we get with some statements in the press package that we email

12:18:35

akai

tomorrow morning when the journalists go to work we'll start phoneing them

12:18:54

akai

and follow up on the email, i expect to be sending email tonight sometime

12:19:31

akai

the list of magazines etc to contact are in the wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseSchedule) and if anyone has a sugestion for some media to contact, please add it there

12:20:06

winnie

akai: do you also contact the german magazines?

12:20:11

akai

so far we have 19 in the wiki, and there is a lot of norwegian ones off the wiki in NUUGs list and my own.

12:20:18

akai

winnie: if no germans has time we will

12:20:26

winnie

or should this be done by h01ger or me?

12:20:33

akai

but it's probably better if the press package gets translated to german and that you contact them

12:20:44

akai

that is.. this one: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/PressReleases/PressPackage_3.0/English

12:20:51

winnie

akai: I've translated it ;-)

12:20:59

winnie

replace /English with /German

12:21:13

akai

Very very very good :)

12:21:17

winnie

but someone hast to review it... i think there are some sharp edges

12:21:26

akai

then we have three major languages with users covered

12:22:19

winnie

mh... I'll try to speak with h01ger before tomorrow morning in order to plan it

12:22:21

pere

should the contact list be sorted into languages?

12:22:47

akai

pere: we could just add who is contacting behind them

12:22:49

klausade

3.0 is already announced on @skolelinux.de "Version 3.0 ist da"

12:22:50

akai

in ()

12:22:57

jever

I will have have a look at for reviewing: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/PressReleases/PressPackage_3.0/German

12:23:02

pere

are all the press contacts (like the german, french and pakistani ones) contacted?

12:23:05

akai

like (akai,knuty,winnie) or whatever

12:23:37

akai

pere: I'll email the pakistani and french

12:23:49

winnie

akai: german contact is kurt... but I've never seen him here in this channel

12:23:50

akai

i expect kurt to know that he's in there since he's here on irc

12:23:57

akai

winnie, right

12:23:58

akai

eh

12:24:00

winnie

tried to ping him today in #skolelinux.de but he is offline

12:24:01

akai

me messing up there a bit

12:24:06

akai

winnie: do you want to replace him?

12:24:11

pere

akai: k4x is not very often reading irc. :)

12:24:14

akai

pere: ok.

12:24:21

akai

i'll email him too then

12:24:25

winnie

I'm not sure if I am able to do this

12:24:35

akai

winnie: i'll email kut

12:24:37

akai

kurt

12:24:43

winnie

but i can of course mail and phone the magazines

12:25:17

akai

winnie: that is great :)

12:27:22

winnie

okay so I'll speak with h01ger so that he contact the first half of the german ones and i the second :)

12:27:24

pere

will there see some coordination to avoid duplicate contacts to the press?

12:27:38

akai

yeah, that was what i was just writing about

12:27:45

akai

14:23 akai like (akai,knuty,winnie) or whatever

12:27:51

akai

let's add who we contact when we do

12:28:08

pere

sounds good. what about nice pictures for the journalists to put in their articles?

12:28:11

akai

so that like.. if i contact IDG newswire, i add (contacted by akai DATE HOUR) behind it

12:28:23

akai

pere: working on it still, and those screenshots of yours will be fine :)

12:28:42

pere

akai: sure, but not very exciting... :)

12:28:42

winnie

pere: pictures of what?

12:28:46

winnie

debian-edu logo?

12:29:01

pere

winnie: pictures of something debian edu related that beef up the articles. :)

12:29:26

winnie

:)

12:29:29

pere

pictures of the developers hard at work, pictures of pupils using skolelinux, picture of the desktop, pictures of ...

12:29:53

pere

pictures of the DVD package. :)

12:29:54

* winnie

is against pictures of the developers :-P he hates pics of him ;-)

12:30:10

akai

haha

12:30:11

pere

winnie: no problem. We just switch your head with Brad Pit. :)

12:30:30

akai

i'll gimp it :p

12:30:38

winnie

pere: np :)

12:30:45

akai

then we can get press about getting sued by Brad Pitt too!

12:30:46

pere

anyway, I am sure it is easier to get coverage in the press if we provide pictures.

12:30:51

akai

yeah

12:30:53

winnie

pere: yes

12:31:04

jever

ack

12:31:10

akai

i'll ask Morten from Brundalen to allow me to take some pics of a classroom full of Brundalen computers with skolelinux tonight

12:31:18

akai

and release those under some nice licence.

12:31:21

winnie

maybe someone can

12:31:22

winnie

ups

12:31:40

winnie

maybe someone can create an image with every head of every developer

12:31:50

winnie

with the skolelinux-logo next to it

12:31:56

winnie

or something similar?

12:32:19

jever

isn't there one from debconf

12:32:21

pere

winnie: I share your view on pictures, so I would rather not be included in the picture provided to journalists.

12:32:42

winnie

pere:

12:33:16

pere

anyway, I do not expect to be able to help much with the press work. I have spend very much time on skolelinux the last few weeks, and need to take care of other projects for the next week.

12:33:50

winnie

:)

12:33:53

pere

I am still available for requests and questions, but will not have time to call journalists etc. I can provide info on who to contact, though, as I have a large phone book.

12:33:59

winnie

me too... i have to work on my GSoC project

12:34:18

winnie

but this has some time until contacting the press

12:34:53

pere

it would be fun if the local paper at my parents place would write about it. it is the local paper in Narvik, so if we get some press coverage there, I am all in. :)

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12:36:18

pere

anyone want to say anything more about the release notes and the press release?

12:36:35

pere

is the feature list documenting large changes complete? IT seem a bit short to me.

12:36:56

pere

<URL: http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/Features , I mean.

12:37:03

winnie

pere: is anybody of the norwegian stuff living in stavanger?

12:37:17

pere

winnie: not that I know about.

12:38:10

winnie

pere: :S there is a nice girl living who study with me ;-)

12:38:34

pere

winnie: sounds like you have some work to do to get her interested in skolelinux. :)

12:38:51

pere

should we move to the next agenda point?

12:38:52

winnie

pere: *g*

12:39:10

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.3 release notes and press release

12:39:10

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.4 final testing

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.4 final testing | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:39:39

pere

I've tested main-server+thin-client-server from CD, and it worked just fine.

12:39:57

pere

I tested bare-bone yesterday and fixed a few minor issues.

12:40:01

winnie

pere: I do an upgrade from sarge to etch ... it was horror ;)

12:40:31

winnie

pere: I would heavily suggest that the people who wants to migrate should set up another server and migrate the services..

12:40:49

akai

I updated the ?ReleaseSchedule a bit

12:40:54

pere

winnie: so would I. :)

12:40:58

akai

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseSchedule

12:41:42

pere

who did testing today or yesterday? what did you test?

12:42:12

jever

umpf, too small bandwith (9600baud) for reviewing: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/PressReleases/PressPackage_3.0/German

12:42:42

pere

the number of netinst installations with working internet will show up on <URL: http://maintainer.skolelinux.no/munin/skolelinux.no/administrator.skolelinux.no-edu_installs.html . I look forward to seeing the graphs after the release.

12:43:19

esc

did you guys hear about the olpc porn story?

12:43:43

pere

esc: yes, but it is not on the agenda for the meeting. :)

12:43:45

winnie

h3p: can you please review my the translated press pakage?

12:44:02

pere

everyone present, please send /me = Full Name for the summary

12:44:19

* akai

= Anders Kringstad Hanssen

12:44:27

esc

oups.. sorry

12:44:28

winnie

pere: again?

12:44:37

pere

winnie: no need to do it more than once.

12:44:44

winnie

12:44:45

akai

=)

12:44:47

* jever

= Jürgen Leibner

12:44:51

akai

i'm just following orders here!

12:45:20

winnie

akai: :)

12:45:25

pere

ok. no-one but me and white seem to have tested the latest images. not a big problem, as no big changes has been made.

12:45:34

pere

next on the agenda:

12:45:36

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 1. Status of the release, 2.4 final testing

12:45:36

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 2. Status of the release, 2.5 upgrade from sarge testing

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 2. Status of the release, 2.5 upgrade from sarge testing | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

12:45:50

winnie

pere: okay should I report?

12:45:54

pere

winnie: yes, please.

12:46:06

jever

better to do twice, so summery writer has no need to scroll back ;-)

12:46:57

winnie

okay I installed the sarge based release and try to update

12:47:11

winnie

the first huge problem in the vm was that there was not enough space available...

12:47:24

winnie

you'll need to have more than 1,5GB for /var

12:47:33

winnie

and more than 700MB for /usr

12:47:37

winnie

of free space..

12:47:57

winnie

since the vg_system vg is quite small and most space is in vg_data this was quite complicated

12:48:38

winnie

I managed it with modifing the vgs and lvs to get it working but this is nothing trivial to resize an file system... (possible fs corruption)

12:48:51

winnie

okay.. the dist-upgrade process hangs several times

12:49:06

winnie

most times due to change permission of configuration files

12:49:46

winnie

but sometimes there was also errors since some conf-files were included in several packages

12:49:54

winnie

and try to overwrite each other

12:50:12

winnie

(cyrus-ldap & cyurs- - - - something)

12:50:41

winnie

furthermore you'll have to know what to enter to libnss-ldap ...

12:51:15

winnie

the upgrade worked but as this is an VM I can't tell if thin clients would boot... I guess not

12:52:07

winnie

i documented everything here:

12:52:23

winnie

http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/Upgrades

12:52:23

akai

pere: off agenda but, i'll email d-e@l.d.o the press release now :-) if its ok :)

12:54:00

winnie

so I would recomment to install an second sever and to migrate the data and servies slowly..

12:54:22

pere

akai: no need to get approval from me. I trust you and the rest of the press team to take it from here. :)

12:54:38

winnie

if you have to upgrade you should ensure that every config file is okay... (best you copy the files from somewhere)

12:54:39

akai

okay, then we'll push forward

12:54:41

jever

first announcements came up on user@skolelinux.de

12:54:45

pere

winnie: if that is the recommondation, it should be written at the top of the upgrade notes. :)

12:55:11

winnie

yes I should add it.. but i want to hear before what the rest things about this

12:55:11

akai

do we have a french user-list?

12:55:13

pere

winnie: what about telling people how to put /etc/ in svk before they start the upgrade, to have some way to detect changes?

12:55:43

pere

akai: yes. see <URL: http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/Support

12:55:56

winnie

pere: ... mh.. this would help to detect changes but not to fix the

12:55:58

winnie

tem

12:56:13

pere

winnie: yes.

12:56:43

pere

winnie: I agree with you that moving services to a new installation is better, not because upgarding is hard and complex, but to avoid breaking the existing service before the new one is proven to work.

12:57:29

* jever

must leave, with mobile phone online is quite expensive, thanks for your work and a nice release party to all

12:57:33

winnie

pere: i think this is the same... complex upgrade -- quite sure that you'll break something

12:57:41

winnie

jever: thanks

12:58:07

pere

winnie: sure, but if it was easy, it would still be a risk, and for production systems, it is good to have a way back if something goes wrong.

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12:58:25

winnie

pere: yes that's true

12:58:57

pere

anything more to add to the upgrade path?

12:59:06

pere

we are running late.

12:59:10

winnie

no i think not

12:59:19

winnie

oh yes

12:59:22

pere

I skip 2.6 announcing, as it already was covered, I believe.

12:59:37

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 2. Status of the release, 2.5 upgrade from sarge testing

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 2. Status of the release, 2.7 anything else?

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12:59:43

winnie

the free space which should be available is only valid for an _fresh_ installation...

12:59:52

* k4x

k4x = Kurt Gramlich

13:00:27

pere

nothing on 2.7. lets move to 3.

13:00:40

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 2. Status of the release, 2.7 anything else?

13:00:40

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 3. Plans for next point release 3.0r1

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 3. Plans for next point release 3.0r1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

13:01:16

pere

we have talked about making a point release in 2-3 months time. I suggest we fix that date to mid-september.

13:01:29

winnie

yes this sounds okay

13:01:53

winnie

there are already some improvements which should go into r1

13:01:59

pere

everything done by then will make it to the r1 release, and the release should be done at the end of september/begining of october.

13:02:30

pere

it give us 2 months to work on bug fixes and updates, and to get the documentation in order.

13:03:20

pere

ok. everyone seem to be in favor. any more comments on it? if not, lets move on.

13:03:43

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 3. Plans for next point release 3.0r1

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 4. Documentation

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 4. Documentation | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

13:04:20

pere

h01ger who has been in charge of organizing the documentation is offline at the moment. his laptop died last night.

13:04:27

pere

I try to fill in for him.

13:04:55

pere

the release manual is written on a wiki, <URL:http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/.

13:05:37

pere

From that it is converted to docbook, and this docbook source is used to generate .po files for the translators, and for generating PDF and HTML versions for inclusion into the debian-edu-doc package. This work fairly well, with the minor exceptions of images.

13:05:56

pere

we are working on finding a way to get the images into the PDF and HTML version of the document.

13:06:21

pere

Quite a lot of text is yet to be written, so if you have time, please help out writing the documentation.

13:06:42

pere

when the english source text on the wiki stabilizes, we will call for translators.

13:08:20

pere

I guess that is all there is to say about the documentation. Questions?

13:09:24

pere

akai: did you forget distrowatch, ref the list at the end of <URL: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes ?

13:09:31

pere

ok. next point.

13:09:33

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 4. Documentation | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

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Irssi: Topic: +: Metting agenda point: 5. Next meetingwwparty or next meeting? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

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pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Metting agenda point: 5. Next meetingwwparty or next meeting? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

13:10:08

pere

when should the next meeting take place? Are there any parties planned?

13:11:02

winnie

pere: maybe I'll sponsor some alkohol for my company (credativ) which is highly involved in ?OopenSource work

13:13:01

pere

akai: I suspect the link to <URL: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes in the press release should be changed to <URL: http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/Features .

13:13:02

k4x

we will have a party this evening in Eppendorf

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Irssi: Topic: -: Metting agenda point: 5. Next meetingwwparty or next meeting? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting

13:13:19

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Irssi: Topic: +: release command center | Debian-Edu/Skolelinux 3.0 codename "Terra" released | Party going on

13:13:19

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white changed the topic of #debian-edu to: release command center | Debian-Edu/Skolelinux 3.0 codename "Terra" released | Party going on

13:13:22

akai

pere: yeah ;-)

13:13:24

white

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

13:13:25

k4x

first german school with debian-edu 3.0

13:13:35

white

here is a party going on in Australia

13:13:39

winnie

white: do you have drinked tooo much?

13:13:43

white

if you will excuse me friends

13:13:44

* akai

is partying at a pub

13:13:49

winnie

white: one-person party?

13:13:50

winnie

:-P

13:13:51

white

winnie: no, but i am going to, right now

13:13:55

akai

steak, strongbow, and tour de france

13:13:56

akai

:)

13:14:02

white

winnie: no, i am going back to the bar and getting drunk

13:14:07

* white

cheers at all

13:14:17

winnie

white: happy drinking :)

13:14:19

k4x

white: cheers, what time do you have?

13:14:21

white

see you all tomorrow

13:14:27

pere

sounds very good. anything in Oslo this evening?

13:14:28

* akai

cheers

13:14:29

white

k4x: 23:15

13:14:44

white

hope I won't be too hangover

13:14:57

white

but does not matter, see you soon and think of you all mates

13:14:57

pere

what about next meeting? three weeks from now?

13:15:00

* white

hugs everyone

13:15:05

winnie

pere: yes

13:15:06

k4x

white: so you released one day arlier ;-))

13:15:07

pere

white: any prefernces for time?

13:15:23

winnie

my next step will be to work on 311188 ;-)

13:15:32

winnie

maybe we'll can fix this for r1

13:15:36

winnie

but at least for lenny

13:15:51

pere

winnie: that would be great. but we need r1 to be upgradable from r0, so it is limited what we can do.

13:16:04

winnie

pere: yes of course...

13:16:21

pere

any comments to my suggestions for next meeting in three weeks?

13:16:33

pere

sunday 2007-08-12.

13:16:34

winnie

no i think 3 weeks is fine

13:16:46

pere

what time? 12:00 UTC as today?

13:17:05

winnie

yes, seems to be a quite good time.. everybody has time to attend

13:17:09

akai

12th is probably bad for me..

13:17:21

akai

i'm cleaning up after my wedding-party for my friends the 11th :p

13:17:51

pere

akai: :)

13:17:54

winnie

:)

13:17:56

pere

any other proposals?

13:18:04

akai

13th will be very ok by me

13:18:05

akai

:p

13:18:11

winnie

18.00 UTC?

13:18:14

pere

akai: 13:00 UTC is 14:00 norwegian time.

13:18:18

akai

pere: i know

13:18:24

pere

ah, right. :)

13:18:25

akai

cleaning after 60+ people takes time

13:18:26

akai

:p

13:19:54

pere

monday 13th might work.

13:20:42

pere

ok. to wrap this up. next meeting 2007-08-13 18:00 UTC.

13:20:54

pere

thank you for joining this meeting, and have a great release party.