1 21:37 < sepski> * sepski = Ronny Aasen
2 21:37 < sepski> sorry for beeing late
3 21:37 < winnie> sepski: no problem.. nothing has start yet...
4 21:37 < winnie> your are the first one who wrote his name here
5 21:38 < winnie> * winnie = Patrick Winnertz
6 21:38 < sepski> only you and me ?
7 21:38 < sepski> MUAHAHA we can decide everything ! :)
8 21:38 < winnie> don't know... I don't hope so
9 21:38 < winnie> :) okay let's start ;-)
10 21:38 < winnie> :-P
11 21:38 < oskar64> * oskar64 = Xavier Oswald
12 21:39 < winnie> jever was around too (about 5 minutes ago)
13 21:39 < sepski> fine :) should we decide to have the next meeting at a earlier time ? :)
14 21:39 < jever> * jever = Juergen Leibner
15 21:39 < winnie> sepski: yes, i think so
16 21:39 < zobel> * zobel == too drunken
17 21:39 < oskar64> zobel: :)
18 21:39 < winnie> zobel: not good :)
19 21:40 < sepski> :)
20 21:40 < C14r> * C14r Christian Kuelker
21 21:40 < sepski> since we'r few we need a good summery writer
22 21:41 < winnie> anyone around who want's to do this?
23 21:41 < C14r> I
24 21:41 < sepski> cheers !
25 21:41 < winnie> okay fine, insert yourself into the wiki :)
26 21:41 < C14r> ok
27 21:42 < sepski> 1: status of cipux.
28 21:42 < kaplan> * kaplan = lior kaplan
29 21:43 -!- winnie
30 21:43 < oskar64> I will start and then C14r will speak..
31 21:44 < oskar64> We changed a lots of thing and now we are ready for a new upload which will be done by me after this meeting
32 21:44 < oskar64> please have a look here about the debian modifications : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ToDo
33 21:45 < oskar64> I have a last point to fix cipux-rpc.postinst: unknown code snippet & unneeded echo call
34 21:45 < oskar64> and then I will upload it.. that for my part..
35 21:45 < oskar64> C14r: can you tell us more ?
36 21:45 < winnie> oskar64: I think you work with the svn on svn.debian.org right?
37 21:45 < oskar64> winnie: yes
38 21:45 < oskar64> winnie: I have open a cipux project on alioth some months ago
39 21:46 < winnie> oskar64: since I build it about an hour ago and get's a couple of lintian errors like this:
40 21:46 < winnie> N: size is 428, argname is cipux_3.2.14-1_source.changes, filename is /home/winnie/svn/cipux/trunk/build-area/cipux_3.2.14-1.dsc
41 21:46 < winnie> E: cipux_3.2.14-1_source.changes: file-size-mismatch-in-changes-file cipux_3.2.14-1.dsc
42 21:46 < oskar64> I and C14r have do lots of commit since 1 hour ;)
43 21:46 < winnie> E: cipux_3.2.14-1_source.changes: md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file cipux_3.2.14-1.dsc
44 21:46 < winnie> okay I'll rebuild and check again
45 21:46 < oskar64> and we are working with the 3.2.15 version !
46 21:46 < winnie> autsch, okay
47 21:47 < winnie> sry
48 21:47 < oskar64> winnie: /cipux/trunk/cipux-core/ <-- this version
49 21:47 < winnie> yeah, i only checked the wrong .changes
50 21:48 < winnie> i haven't said anything, okay? ;-)
51 21:48 < oskar64> winnie: and feel free to help us if you find mistakes ;)
52 21:48 < oskar64> ok, np
53 21:48 < oskar64> C14r: your turn ;)
54 21:48 < C14r> ok
55 21:48 < C14r> We make i18n working to 90% and going into translation on weekend for the GUI. Roland wrote the first draft of the user guide for CAT. We are setting up a CipUX demoserver after 2007-04-04, Testcase demo sever for the documentation team in running since a week.
56 21:49 < C14r> So we did a lot of work this last 2 weeks, but the important question is: do the package go into debian-edu.
57 21:49 < oskar64> :)
58 21:50 < C14r> so oskar64 an kaplan it is your turn!
59 21:50 < winnie> C14r: why don't you react to my test report last week?
60 21:50 < oskar64> We will see if cipux will be accepted ;)
61 21:50 < C14r> winnie: I ask binar to do it, bcause I was very busy at work
62 21:51 < winnie> mh.. got no answer
63 21:51 < C14r> winnie: If he didn't answer I can do it tomorrow
64 21:51 < oskar64> for my part, I was very busy for 2 weeks but then, it's ok and I will do an upload and if cipux is reject I will correct what's wrong and reupload again and again util cipux is accepeted ;)
65 21:52 < winnie> C14r: doesn't matter, i test a half hour ago and the most annoying thing (the cookie handling) was fixed.
66 21:52 < C14r> winnie: yes that was fixed
67 21:52 < C14r> we will have German on the week end
68 21:53 < winnie> okay, but we should hurry up, there is not much time for the next points
69 21:53 < C14r> some modules must be tested, so keep up testing!
70 21:53 < C14r> winnie: ok
71 21:53 < winnie> and it is quite late
72 21:53 < winnie> something else about cipux?
73 21:54 < jever> yes
74 21:54 < winnie> jever: okay, but then hurry up please ;-)
75 21:54 < jever> there is a commit list now where everyone who interests can read
76 21:54 < jever> what is going on
77 21:55 < oskar64> oh yes , nice jever ;)
78 21:55 < C14r> http://sympa.cipworx.org/wws/subscribe/cipux-commits
79 21:56 < winnie> okay, next point : 1.2 status of lwat
80 21:56 < jever> that's all from me
81 21:56 -!- winnie
82 21:56 < winnie> i think finnarne is not around, so i will give a small summary
83 21:57 < winnie> i discovered last week an security bug in lwat, which was fixed by me during one day
84 21:58 < winnie> this bug concerned that the data which is already in the ldap wasn't checked for malicious codeblocks (e.g. javascript)
85 21:59 < winnie> i want to try the same thing with cipux, but currently i don't have so much time
86 21:59 < winnie> all needed things for user/group/netgroup administration does work now
87 21:59 < winnie> and i heavily suggest that people start to test and report
88 22:00 < jever> winnie: is the bug described somewhere so that another one can test that for cipux?
89 22:00 < winnie> furthermore I want to write an debian-edu specific layout with the use of css
90 22:00 < winnie> jever: yes, wait
91 22:00 < jever> ok
92 22:01 < winnie> but if there are some people around who would volunteer to write this css this would be nice ;-)
93 22:01 < winnie> i'll write an email later
94 22:01 < oskar64> I will have a look
95 22:01 < winnie> so..that's all from me.. any questions?
96 22:01 < winnie> oskar64: thanks
97 22:02 < sepski> winnie, thanks we well test lwat :)
98 22:02 < sepski> (more)
99 22:02 < winnie> sepski: :)
100 22:02 < winnie> okay.. then letÄs go to the next topic...
101 22:02 -!- sepski
102 22:03 < sepski> status: slabckups web admin frontend is gone becouse webmin is gone : does anyone have anything else to report on this ?
103 22:04 < C14r> sepski: no, but what is needed to write a GUI?
104 22:04 < winnie> sepski: nope.. i think we need a new frontend :S
105 22:04 < winnie> jever: here is the bugnumber: 415379
106 22:04 < C14r> winnie: yes
107 22:04 < jever> can we skip slbackup and use another tool like backuppc?
108 22:04 < oskar64> winnie: ok, I will keep this bugnumber in mind.. and maybe begin something
109 22:05 < sepski> jever, if someone have the manhouers to do it, sure
110 22:05 < jever> winnie: thx
111 22:05 < sepski> jever, preferably something not much larger :)
112 22:06 < winnie> sepski: i think we should only write an small!! and simple console front end maybe?
113 22:06 < winnie> and for the next release something else?
114 22:06 < jever> sepski: it is a debian package and can does very well job at work for me
115 22:07 < jever> -can
116 22:07 < jever> and it breaks not the concept, having a backup on disk
117 22:07 < sepski> winnie, does not the slbackup package contain console tools ?
118 22:08 < winnie> sepski: not sure.. i have never looked at it ;-)
119 22:08 < sepski> jever, i have tried it.
120 22:09 < jever> if I provide a preconfigured config file can someone help me to bring it on CD?
121 22:09 < sepski> well we can conclude that works need to be done, and if someone have time, do it :)
122 22:09 < sepski> jever, sure.
123 22:09 < winnie> jever: yes of course
124 22:09 < sepski> but backuppc is 10x the size of slbackup :)
125 22:10 < jever> fine, then I may have time the next two weeks to give it a try
126 22:10 < winnie> but should we go ahead for the next point? only 20 minutes left for 5 other points...
127 22:10 < sepski> and is backuppc easy to use for a teacher to restore a students file ?
128 22:10 < jever> go ahead please
129 22:10 < winnie> jever: okay thanks
130 22:10 -!- sepski
131 22:10 < oskar64> winnie: slbackup has a 'console frontend' AFAIK
132 22:10 < jever> sepski: yes, it has a webinterface, where users can restore their own files ;-)
133 22:11 < winnie> sepski: something about a cd based installation with 2 cds?
134 22:12 < winnie> i think it doesn't work (yet)... but according to the discussion last week we think over using a dvd, don't we?
135 22:12 < sepski> winnie, yes i belive so
136 22:12 < sepski> i would like a dvd and a cd netinstall
137 22:12 < winnie> sepski: mh... yes.. this sounds good
138 22:12 * jever should by some dvd-players
139 22:12 < winnie> sepski: so we have to change our cd a bit i think
140 22:13 < sepski> winnie, yes and we should get more testing on the DVD
141 22:13 < winnie> sepski: okay, fine... I'll download it tomorrow at work
142 22:14 < winnie> sepski: should we move to point 4? status of etch?
143 22:14 < sepski> yes
144 22:14 < jever> yes
145 22:14 -!- sepski
146 22:15 < winnie> okay :) i have there a very hugh point
147 22:15 < winnie> the expert installation is currently very broken... you can choose there to disable the root account and don't set an password for it...
148 22:15 < oskar64> I have see
149 22:15 < winnie> if you do this the ldap admin don't get any passwords
150 22:16 < C14r> ups
151 22:16 < sepski> can we preseed the sudo menu entry to do nothing ?
152 22:16 < winnie> i will preseed this question, is that right?
153 22:16 < sepski> winnie, try it :)
154 22:16 < winnie> sepski: i'll do this tomorrow or at saturday ;-)
155 22:16 < sepski> il try to get time to test it
156 22:16 < winnie> sepski: i think this question is preseedable
157 22:17 < winnie> if you preseed the question "set a password or disable root account?" the user is forced to set one
158 22:17 < winnie> any other comments about the status of the cd?
159 22:18 < winnie> has anybody tests it?
160 22:18 < winnie> i've test it today again and the normal setup works perfectly
161 22:18 < oskar64> winnie: I have tested it and it runs fine
162 22:18 < jever> no, but I will do so next week
163 22:19 < sepski> normal install worked ok last time i tried.
164 22:19 < sepski> we might want to spend more time testing services
165 22:19 < sepski> forinstance we know samba have issues
166 22:19 < jever> which?
167 22:19 < winnie> sepski: yes definitly... but i don't have anything to test samba here :S
168 22:20 < oskar64> same for me :/
169 22:20 < winnie> sepski: and we should consider if we can somehow set the password for the nagiosadmin user the same as the rootpw
170 22:20 < C14r> same for me :)
171 22:20 < jever> I have, but what to look for?
172 22:20 < C14r> winnie: realy?
173 22:21 < C14r> \me knows a skolelinux sarge school where nagios was cracked ...
174 22:21 < oskar64> uhh
175 22:21 < C14r> but it might be different with etch ...
176 22:21 < sepski> can you do a lot of damage from nagios ?
177 22:22 < C14r> you gain at least rights of the webserver
178 22:22 < sepski> winnie, eiter that or disable access until a pw is set
179 22:22 < oskar64> winnie: we should firstly check nagios status in etch and have a look to bugreport..
180 22:22 < winnie> sepski: okay.. but then we must describe somewhere how to do this
181 22:22 < winnie> oskar64: yes of course :)
182 22:23 < oskar64> Im against the idea of having the rootpw same as user admin in nagios..
183 22:23 < sepski> oskar64, i dont like that either
184 22:23 * jever too
185 22:23 < winnie> oskar64: but having per default 'skolelinux' as password is also very bad
186 22:23 < jever> winnie: right
187 22:23 < C14r> winnie: yes
188 22:23 < sepski> better to have no access at all untill the password is set then
189 22:23 < C14r> where is nagios saving this password?
190 22:23 < oskar64> winnie: that's too :)
191 22:23 < sepski> htpasswd
192 22:24 < sepski> regular apache access afaik
193 22:24 < jever> yes
194 22:24 < winnie> sepski: mh.. but then we have to describe somewhere how they can easily add this
195 22:24 < C14r> sepski: you can not save a root password in htaccess, that is very dangerous.
196 22:24 < sepski> debian-edu-config/etc/nagios/debian-edu/htpasswd.users
197 22:24 < C14r> C14r: its is very easy to exploid
198 22:24 < sepski> C14r, yes
199 22:25 < oskar64> we can close this point and go ahead maybe, it's late..
200 22:25 -!- sepski
201 22:25 < oskar64> h01ger: ping ?
202 22:26 < oskar64> I have a little bit to say about powerpc.. if h01ger is not here..
203 22:26 < winnie> oskar64: okay. go ahead :)
204 22:26 < oskar64> ok
205 22:27 < oskar64> So I will do some debian-edu test since I have a pegasos2 but my cpu fan is broken and I have to buy I new one..
206 22:27 < oskar64> And I think I can give an ssh account if it's needed..
207 22:27 < oskar64> moreover I will work on getting the efika working with debian-edu
208 22:27 < oskar64> that's after etch !
209 22:28 < oskar64> that's all for me.. jsut for information..
210 22:28 < jever> oskar64: is there a need to get prep machines in action?
211 22:28 < oskar64> jever: I think the efika could be a very nice thin client !
212 22:29 < jever> or are they to old to be involved in powerpc?
213 22:29 < jever> the prep ones I mean
214 22:29 < jever> I have one IBM RS6000
215 22:30 < oskar64> efika is a new powerpc board !
216 22:30 < oskar64> and pegasos2 is quite new too
217 22:30 < oskar64> it's selled by genesi
218 22:30 < winnie> mh... should we go ahead to the next topic? i think the one hour is almost over ;-)
219 22:30 < oskar64> and efika could be a nice thin client server too I think
220 22:30 -!- sepski
221 22:31 < oskar64> ok, I need only 2 minutes for this point ;)
222 22:31 < oskar64> As you know, there is no really OLPC team in debian, and we are quite 10 people
223 22:31 < oskar64> having an OLPC board so, it's time to do something.
224 22:31 < oskar64> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/OLPC
225 22:31 < oskar64> Then I contacted the emdebian team http://www.emdebian.org/ if we can join their
226 22:31 < oskar64> team to get debian working on this board. There were some answer to my mail and
227 22:31 < oskar64> it's really positive.
228 22:31 < oskar64> Here is the thread : http://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/2007/03/msg00091.html
229 22:31 < oskar64> If you want to join the team, please send a mail to wookey(wookey@debian.org)
230 22:31 < oskar64> with your wanted login and your ssh key.
231 22:31 < oskar64> To finish, we will use the debian-embeded mailing list for the developement.
232 22:31 < oskar64> Otherwise there are some software related to OLPC, Im thinking about Sugar, can
233 22:31 < oskar64> I/We use the debian-edu repo to maintain it? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_on_Debian
234 22:31 < oskar64> Thanks.
235 22:33 < sepski> great
236 22:33 < C14r> oskar64: what das Sugar do?
237 22:33 < oskar64> Sugar is the core of the OLPC Human Interface
238 22:34 < C14r> oh, ok I read that somewhere, thx1
239 22:34 -!- sepski
240 22:34 < oskar64> and otherwise, if you want an olpc, you can ask knut
241 22:35 < kaplan> oskar64, I'm interested with packaging this for debian... (although you know my time constraints)
242 22:35 < C14r> oskar64: keep me informend, may be I have to work on embedded systems.
243 22:35 < oskar64> kaplan: ok, we will speak about this later
244 22:35 < oskar64> C14r: ok
245 22:35 < winnie> mh.. i think we should have our next meeting 2 hours earlier
246 22:35 < winnie> this was much too late
247 22:35 < oskar64> winnie: one is enough
248 22:35 < sepski> 1.5?
249 22:36 < oskar64> lol
250 22:36 < C14r> Next meeting?
251 22:36 < oskar64> In two weeks ?
252 22:36 < C14r> fine
253 22:36 < winnie> oskar64: yes in two weeks
254 22:37 < C14r> 2007-04-12
255 22:37 < winnie> 1.5 hours earlier I would suggest
256 22:37 < C14r> 1.25?
257 22:37 < winnie> hopefully etch is released there
258 22:37 < winnie> 1.5
259 22:37 < sepski> 18:00 utc 20:00 in +2 ?
260 22:37 < oskar64> yes
261 22:38 < oskar64> winnie: there are 30 remaining RC bugs for etch :/
262 22:38 < jever> ack
263 22:38 < winnie> oskar64: i think this will be possible
264 22:38 < oskar64> yes
265 22:39 < C14r> ok is the meeting over now? winnie?
266 22:39 < kaplan> oskar64, 61
267 22:39 < winnie> C14r: i think so... or has anybody another point to discuss??
268 22:40 < C14r> winnie: no
269 22:40 < winnie> I'm closing some of the bugzilla bugs atm...
270 22:40 -!- sepski
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