20:30 < pere> so, time to start the meeting.
20:30 < pere> please indicate your presense using /me = Full name.
20:30 * jever = Jürgen Leibner
20:30 * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
20:30 < white> hmm work first 
20:30 * white = Steffen Joeris
20:31 * danielsan = Daniel Hess
20:31 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Who write the meeting summary and post it to the list?
20:31 * h01ger = Holger Levsen
20:31 < pere> so, who can write the summary?
20:31 < luk> luk = Luk Claes
20:32 * luk = Luk Claes
20:32 < luk> sorry
20:32 * h01ger has no time to write the summary. sorry.
20:32 * Werner = Morten Werner Olsen
20:32 * andreas Andreas Tille
20:32 < pere> anyone got time to write the summary?
20:33 * zobel = Martin Zobel-Helas
20:33 < pere> we only have 60 minutes to cover 11 topics, and 3 minutes is already spent.
20:33 -!- h01ger changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Who write the meeting summary and post it to the list? | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
20:33 < h01ger> its nice to have the agenda in topic...
20:34 * luk will write the summary
20:34 < h01ger> luk! \o/
20:35 < pere> thank you, luk. first topic is Dev-Camp in January in France. who want to say anything.
20:35 <@Werner> luk: tnx
20:35 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: Dev-Camp in January in France | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
20:35 < white> luk: cheers
20:36 < pere> we are very short on time. 55 minutes and 11 topis is 5 minutes per topic.
20:36 < luk> how is travel sponsoring going to be arranged?
20:36 * h01ger thinks its a great opportunity to get the different teams together and the same place and improve the level of cooperation
20:36 < h01ger> "Cetril (a non-profit organisation) will pay for housing, food and travel for developers. We currently plan for up to 30 europeans with cheap flights. Maybe we need to find additional funding."
20:36 < luk> is it asking styret?
20:36 < pere> who put the topic on the agenda? why?
20:36 * h01ger did - to make it known to people
20:37 < h01ger> it should probably discussed in detail - like the one luk mentioned - on the list
20:37 <@Werner> luk: I guess it's not styret this time .. but Cetril. But I guess that should be written on the webpages..
20:37 <@Werner> should we move on?
20:37 < pere> styret = board in engllish, btw.
20:37 < h01ger> or its styret and Cetril only gives the money
20:37 < luk> pere: yep, I figured
20:37 < h01ger> Werner, i would say so
20:37 * h01ger will write a short mail to the list
20:37 < luk> yep, move on
20:37 < pere> ok. next topic is Next meeting
20:38 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: Next meeting | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
20:38 < pere> when should we meet the next time. I put this topic early in the meeting as I suspect we will be unable to finish in 60 minutes with 11 topics to cover.
20:38 <@Werner> two or three weeks?
20:38 < white> 2 weeks should be more than sufficient
20:38 <@Werner> for me this time on a monday is great
20:39 < white> me too
20:39 * h01ger is also a bit better with later time
20:39 < pere> three weeks would suit me better, as I have problems setting aside an evening as often as eveyr 14 days.
20:39 < white> as far as i am in .de
20:39 < white> anyone objections against a meeting in 3 weeks?
20:40 < pere> 2006-12-11 it is, then.
20:40 < pere> same time as today?
20:40 * vagrantc_ = Vagrant Cascadian
20:40 < white> yes
20:40 < luk> I'll be in Spain, so no idea if I can make it, but maybe not so important
20:40 <@Werner> yes, please.
20:40 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: Status of Etch | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
20:40 < jever> same time is ok
20:41 < pere> so, who want to say anything about the etch status as documented on <URL: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Etch >?
20:41 < luk> lets move on
20:42 < pere> I believe the blocker bug is fixed after the latest package updates for debian-edu/etch.
20:42 < pere> so everything should be ok to release test02.
20:42 * vagrantc_ would like feedback and testing of the latest ltsp packags (0.99debian8)
20:42 < h01ger> did anyone test etch-test since friday?
20:43 < h01ger> etch-test failed completly for me on thursday. it was not possible to complete the partioning step
20:43 < pere> h01ger: I tested it yesterday, installed fine and slapd worked after I fixed the cfengine etch detection rule.
20:43 <@Werner> are we up2date with the new installer?
20:43 < pere> Werner: not quite. we use the daily built d-i boot images, instead of the ones in etch.
20:43 < h01ger> ah nice. (i have two identical harddiscs in that machine... maybe...)
20:44 < pere> I tried switching to the etch images last week, but those were still beta3 and broken.
20:44 < pere> so I switched back, probably friday or saturday.
20:44 <@Werner> ok
20:44 < h01ger> pere, why images and not udebs?
20:44 < h01ger> or do you mean udebs?
20:44 < pere> h01ger: I mean images. the boot "floppies" are images, not udebs.
20:45 < pere> h01ger: that is just how it work to make bootable CDs.
20:45 < h01ger> ah. but thats just the initrd+kernel not the whole d-i?
20:46 < pere> I recommend everyone run "debian-edu-test-install > test.log && grep error: test.log" when they do test installations, to find the detected errors.
20:46 -!- luk_ [~luk@d54C482A2.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian-edu
20:46 < h01ger> pere, add it to Etch:Status
20:46 < pere> h01ger: yes. the stuff being executed before the rest of the udebs are fetched from cd or the net.
20:47 * h01ger adds it to the wiki now
20:47 < pere> when I tested last time, several tests failed, but only the missing webmin and wrong ispell dictionary is a real bug.
20:47 < luk_> I hope someone else has the logs as I lost connection...
20:47 < pere> we need to come up with a solution for the spell checker issue, I just realised.
20:47 < white> luk: i am logging
20:47 <@Werner> luk_: I have..
20:48 < pere> we used to include ispell and myspell, but threw out ispell to save space. kde need to be configured to use myspell, if possible.
20:48 < pere> OOo can't use anything else, so aspell/ispell is not a option there.
20:48 < pere> oh, that is running into too much details. just wanted to mention it.
20:48 <@Werner> should that be added to our page of issues?
20:48 < pere> Werner: yes.
20:48 <@Werner> or is it there already?
20:49 < pere> any other issues. Please make sure the status page is uptodate with the most important stuff.
20:50 < pere> anyone want to say anything more about the status before we move on?
20:50 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: New test release? | agenda at
<http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
20:50 < pere> a new test release is long overdue. I did the first, but have not been able to sit down long enough to do a second one.
20:51 < pere> at the moment the CD is quite good, so we could just copy it to skolelinux-cd/, write release notes and announce a new test release.
20:51 < pere> I would very much like more people having the skills and knowledge required to make test releases. any volunteers?
20:52 -!- luk [~luk@d54C482A2.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:52 < white> i can do that during the weekend
20:52 -!- luk_ is now known as luk
20:52 < white> maybe earlier
20:52 < white> depending on my other debian packages i need to finish for etch
20:52 < luk> I'd love to learn to do that
20:53 < pere> perhaps both luk and white can do it together, with me as a guide?
20:53 < luk> fine by me
20:53 < white> sure
20:53 * h01ger is also interested but not this weekend. i'll review your documentation
20:53 < pere> it is in prinsible three steps required: (1) copy the cd(s), (2) test the CD, (3) announce the cd with release notes.
20:53 < luk> sounds very simple 
20:54 < jever> maybe I can participate and help too
20:54 < white> pere: no worries, luk and me
will manage it
20:54 < pere> ok. poke me on IRC, and I'll answer all questions.
20:54 < white> and of course jever too
20:54 < pere> great!
20:54 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: CipUX Status | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
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20:54 < pere> to all newcomers, please announce your presense using /me = Full Name for the summary writer.
20:55 < h01ger> the perl-libs are in sid now, the cipux packages being prepared, the frontend-rewrite is coming but not done
20:56 < pere> is it possible to install it using preseeding and get a properly functioning installation?
20:56 < h01ger> not yet.
20:56 < h01ger> thats why i want packages
20:56 < h01ger> (a second, me is typing something a bit longer)
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20:58 < h01ger> i would like to discuss our strategy a bit. i see it like this: sarge had webmin and its gone. this is a major regression we cannot live with, we need a replacement. the only replacement (which is in a reasonable state on the pure frontend (for teachers) side) is cipux (gosa, luma, phpldapadmin are just frameworks which need tweaking). and the code-quality seems to be better than webmin, even if its not real good. and we want to release soon. an
20:58 < h01ger> d people work on cipux. thats how i see the situation...
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20:59 < h01ger> (even if i heard not so great things about the inner qualitiy of cipux. but maybe thats just hearsay and/or has improved. and i believe its better than webmin anyway. and we need something. repeat..)
20:59 < jever> I agree to h01ger, it could not better been said
20:59 < pere> h01ger: I agree. at the moment we seem to have only one serious contester, though I am not convinced cipux have the features we need. secure and automatically installable seem to be two weak features in cipux.
21:00 < pere> no-one seem willing to work on webmin++.
21:00 < white> what is that tool Gagatan was mentioning?
21:00 < pere> Gagatan has mentioned some ldap tools, but do not seem able to spend the time required to make it an alternative.
21:00 < h01ger> white, luma
21:00 < white> i used luma some time ago
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21:01 < white> not sure if it has the things we want, but it is an awesome and my favourite ldap gui tool
21:01 < pere> h01ger is spending time to get an overview on the situation, and as far as I know he is the only one.
21:01 < white> but i can't judge about it atm
21:01 < h01ger> white, do you have it ready configured with all the features teachers need (and the 1000 other stripped down/hidden)
21:01 < white> h01ger: which kind of features are we talking about?
21:01 < white> do you have a list?
21:01 < pere> one feature not mentioned so far is FEIDE compilence. It will be important for norwegian schools, I believe, and someone should work on it.
21:01 < white> are we willing to change the ldap scheme?
21:01 < pere> FEIDE is a common person ID framework used in norway.
21:02 < h01ger> cipux is used+promoted by ralf and kurt. and they seem to know what teachers need.
21:02 < white> h01ger: last time that was a discussion point 
21:02 < h01ger> pere, can you (or knut) send a mail to the list explaining FEIDE?
21:02 < white> h01ger: that doesn't answer my question
21:02 < pere> <URL: http://feide.no/ > is the norwegian web site.
21:03 < h01ger> white, hmm. i dont know if such a list exists.
21:03 < h01ger> pere, mail, please.
21:03 < pere> I suspect it might be a good idea to involve the norwegian skolelinux company and Halvor Dahl.
21:03 < h01ger> otherwise its gets lost like the list white looks for
21:03 < luk> http://feide.no/index.en.html
21:04 < pere> dr3as_ might be a good person to ask for info on the schools need. he is working as an admin for the norwegian schools.
21:04 < h01ger> dr3as_ should then look at cipux
21:04 < pere> dr3as_ is Andreas Johnsen.
21:05 < pere> we discussed the needs for an user admin system earlier, and it was observed then that we need to make a decision soon to be able to get something ready for etch.
21:05 < [-oskar-]> hi
21:05 < white> can somebody comment on the ldap scheme and cipux?
21:05 < pere> I suggest we plan to make a decision in 3 weeks.
21:05 < h01ger> C14r, [-oskar-]: please provide cipux packages to download. source + binaries
21:05 < h01ger> [-oskar-], hi!
21:06 < pere> to all newcomers, please announce your presense using /me = Full Name for the summary writer.
21:06 < h01ger> white, iirc the cipux instructions correctly, it needs some minor tweaking to the schema. but maybe [-oskar-] knows more?
21:06 * [-oskar-] = Xavier Oswald
21:06 < pere> three important features for the project we select is active development and someone in the debian-edu project willing to do the work to integrate it into our installation. 21:06 < white> i guess ldap scheme compatibility is important
21:07 < [-oskar-]> C14r: did you close the latest warnings ?
21:07 -!- luk_ [~luk@d54C482A2.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian-edu
21:07 < pere> (and debian packages in debian/mian, of course)
21:07 < [-oskar-]> h01ger: C14r whould write a schema script but I don't know the status
21:08 < h01ger> [-oskar-], afaik there is one already
21:08 * h01ger looks
21:08 < [-oskar-]> h01ger: ok
21:09 < h01ger> # vim /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
21:09 < h01ger>
include /etc/ldap/schema/cipux.schema 21:09 < h01ger> from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Installation/3.2.12
21:09 < pere> ok. anyone want to comment more on the cipux status before we move on?
21:09 < pere> 20 minutes left and 6 topics to cover.
21:09 < h01ger> lets move on. C14r & [-oskar-] we want+need packages for etch
21:09 < [-oskar-]> h01ger: ok
21:09 < [-oskar-]>
21:09 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: amd64 port | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
21:10 < h01ger> pere, i liked your mail about "considerations" not blockers /me goes to reread it
21:10 < white> well before we start to discuss the porting stuff, do we have a buildd up and running?
21:10 < pere> I guess we should enforce that all agenda points need a person behind them.
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21:11 < pere> so, who placed the amd64 port on the agenda, and why?
21:11 < zobel> white: we have a buildd, fs is operating it IIRC 21:12 < h01ger> "Are there other positive factors than increased memory address space?
The flip side of that is slower binaries as the programs become larger and more CPU cache space is spent on the programs. :/" - users want it (and more memory is really a good reason), and we would have an upgrade patch as daniel wrote, so i think these benefits weight more than the
only real downside on our side, the bigger space needed
21:12 < white> well it also needs to be included into the build system
21:12 * h01ger put it on the agenda, to "solve it". i also believe, if we dont make the port now, users will keep asking for it 21:12 < white> and we know that we are still
working on the ppc port
21:12 < pere> so, who got equipment to test the amd64 port? I do not.
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21:13 < white> and we do not have a release there so far, so is it wise to start a new port?
21:13 < h01ger> pere, that daniel offered to test it
21:13 * kaplan = Lior Kaplan
21:13 < white> don't get me wrong, i am all for it
21:13 < luk_> I would love hw to test ppc and amd64
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21:13 < h01ger> white, i think so. powerpc is mostly ready these days. aba has a small upload problem left.
21:13 < pere> well, I suggest we give it a go like the powerpc port, and at least get some test feedback on it.
21:13 * h01ger nods
21:13 < pere> who set up the build?
21:14 < pere> (let me know how much more space
is needed, so I can extend the partitions)
21:14 < jever> does the ppc stuff run on ibm prep
21:14 * h01ger looks at zobel for the buildd
21:14 < pere> next topic is the ppc build, so lets wrap up the amd64 issue first.
21:14 < zobel> h01ger: arch? ppc or amd64?
21:15 < h01ger> jever, not sure. i think its the wrong bootloader||kernel. (the cd is for newworld ppc and i'm pretty sure its not suited for prep)
21:15 < pere> CONF-etch-test-amd64.sh is needed, I guess, and a lot of script changes.
21:15 < h01ger> zobel, buildd+wanna buld for amd64
21:15 * h01ger is willing to work on the cd-build-stuff for amd64
21:15 < zobel> w-b for amd64 was me, buildd is fs.
21:15 * luk is willing to work on script changes for adding more archs
21:16 < h01ger> zobel, can you work this out with fs?
21:16 < zobel> sure.
21:16 < h01ger> luk, yay! i'm happy to work with you on that
21:16 < pere> ok. luk work on the amd64 cd port.
21:16 < pere> next topic.
21:16 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: powerpc buildd upload problems | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
21:17 < pere> who placed it on the agenda, and
why?
21:17 < h01ger> i put this topic there. to put it positivly: powerpc buildd and archive status is mostly good except aba has upload problems, which Werner or someone else from drift need to resolve please. (see backlog on #edu-dak)
21:17 < h01ger> (aba=abas buildd)
21:18 < zobel> h01ger: i am currently on this box and try to debug it.
21:18 * pere have no backlog. perhaps the problems should be mentioned in some email to drift@?
21:18 < zobel> passive ftp connection drops.
21:19 < pere> zobel: right. I'v seen those myself, and solved it using retries.
21:19 < zobel> not yet sure on which side.
21:19 < h01ger> but thats too much details for the meeting. drift@skolelinux.org?
21:19 < zobel> yeah
21:19 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: first steps document for sarge and etch | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
21:19 < pere> 4 topics to go and 10 minutes
left.
21:20 < h01ger> i put the topic there i gave a talk/workshop at a school last friday and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Presentations/G18 is the result. and i learned, that there is no easy "first steps in skolelinux" documentation
21:21 < pere> at least not in english.
21:21 < h01ger> the marketing material says "easy to setup" but its not true without documentation.
21:21 < h01ger> klausade helped me here on irc and after the meeting i found http://beheer.eduwijs.nl/skolelinux/skolelinuxtutor.pdf
21:21 < pere> I believe the people writing documentation in different languages need to coordinate their work, to avoid too much differences across languages.
21:21 < h01ger> yes. we should have a "master" document in english
21:22 < pere> the problem with the english master document is that several of the people writing docs prefer to work in norwegian/german/whatnot.
21:22 < jever> h01ger: I've a movie showing my little daughter teaching an adult to install skole
21:22 < h01ger> and as etch is not done yet, i thought i mention it now. its also part of testing instructions. what needs to be done, to get ldap+users+homes running and _testable_
21:22 < white> pere: but everybody can speak english
21:22 < h01ger> jever, hehe
21:23 < pere> sure, but we talk about writing documentation here. and if those writing docs prefer to do it in a non-english language, it is going to be written in an non-english language.
21:23 < h01ger> pere, yes. but its bad for our project.
21:23 < pere> ok. anyone disagree that we need intro documentation?
21:24 < pere> if not, do we have a volunteer to work on it?
21:24 < pere> next topic
21:24 < h01ger> they can write it it norwegian||german||foo first, if they translate it to english immediatly and commit at the same time *eg*
21:24 * h01ger will accompany the cipux installation and keep an eye on documentation, too
21:25 < [-oskar-]>
21:25 < pere> h01ger: sure, but my experience with this project for 5 years is that it does not work like that.
21:25 < pere> h01ger: we tried with master document in docbook and .po files for
translation, but the result was alternative documentation popped up everywhere else.
21:25 < [-oskar-]> h01ger: I think we will have cipux ready soon, in 2-3 days..
21:25 < pere> lets move on.
21:25 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu
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21:26 < h01ger> pere, yes. but you have most experience in this project when it was less international. using english, when not your native tongue, is a disadvantage. but being able to work together with many people can be an advantage
21:26 < h01ger> ... can be a _bigger_ advantage
21:26 < pere> h01ger: I hope you are right, because we need consistent documentation.
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21:26 < h01ger> uff.. again me. EDUSOL is a online edu meeting gwolf pointed out to me and he asked if he should do live-translations...
21:26 < pere> who want to talk about EDUSOL? 3 minutes left.
21:27 < pere> are anyone going there from debian-edu?
21:28 < h01ger> lets move on. edusol is a spanish meeting on wednesday or thursday this week and gunnar offered to do live-translation. contact me if someone is interested. i think i'll write a short mail later, too
21:28 < pere> Personally, I believe we should do a better job advertising debian-edu. an article in Linux Journal, showing up at conferences to talk about it, spread the work to schools, perhaps have a support company in germany as well to sell support on it.
21:29 < pere> next topic
21:29 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: Living together of Linux- and Windowsclients at the home shares (samba/nfs/console) and the need of configuring it right | agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
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21:29 < jever> I'v put it there
21:30 < jever> I think, when a user accesses a directory from a linuxmachine or from a windowsmaschine at school he must see the same filenames and content.
21:30 < jever> he has to get the same accesrights and ability to set them
21:30 < pere> jever: yes, that is the idea behind the inclusion of a samba server. does it not work?
21:31 < jever> I think it works, but you have to do it work for your own
21:31 < jever> it has to be configured while installation
21:32 < jever> so the filesystem has to be mountet with acl and so on
21:32 < h01ger> jever, write a detailed wiki page with the needed steps, first (and as immediate help). then we can make it happen automatically at installation. or just file a bug
21:32 < pere> anyone know what is needed to get
it working properly? I guess details about the problem with the current setup is needed.
21:32 < Gagatan> g'evening..
21:32 < jever> I filed a bug
21:32 < h01ger> #?
21:32 < jever> it is still open I think
21:32 < jever> mom
21:32 < pere> to all newcomers, please announce your presense using /me = Full Name for the summary writer.
21:33 < jever> #1064
21:33 <@Werner> jever: I guess enabling acl on a Linux filesystem might work for clients on Windows computers talking with the samba server, but not e.g. Solaris clients mounting the filesystems over NFS..
21:33 < pere> ok, we are seriously running out of time. I got to leave very soon.
21:33 < pere> last topic.
21:33 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu to: Meeting in progress - Topic: Status of kiosk modes and further plans| agenda at <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting>
21:33 < jever> Werner: are solaris clients in a skole net?
21:34 < white> in short, i am working on two kiosk modes as new features for terra
21:34 < Gagatan> Werner: solaris <-> solaris works great.. solaris <-> linux, not so great (reg. nfs and ACLs)
21:34 < white> pupils for normal students, e.g. highschool
21:34 < white> and kids, e.g. kindergarden, primary school
21:34 < white> it is just a start, but i thought i give it a go to add some desktop features, maybe to catch up with edubuntu and others
21:34 < white> that's pretty much it
21:35 * Gagatan = Bjørn Ove Grøtan
21:35 <@Werner> jever: why not?
21:35 < white> it needs some testing, but i guess i can make it in time
21:35 <@Werner> jever: that was an example .. other *NIX'es over NFS will not work I guess...
21:35 < jever> Werner: Yes, why not
21:35 < pere> white: this sounds interesting. we should get some schools to test it and let us know if it fit their need or should be adjuted.
21:35 -!- luk [~luk@d54C482A2.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:35 < white> pere: of course, i can't judge about it
21:35 < white> and i already called for helpers
21:35 * h01ger wonders about the skolelinux-bugtracking system in general. its one system for all bugs? cant/shouldnt we just use the debian-bts and a pseudo- or real package? (i guess its historic reasons..)
21:36 < white> and when i get it fully working for the first time i will call for testers
21:36 * h01ger goes to bugs.s.o
21:36 < pere> h01ger: not all our packages are/where in debian.
21:36 < pere> s/h//
21:36 < white> h01ger: there are also other reasons
21:36 < white> e.g. easier to use or system components in general
21:36 < white> any questions about kiosk modes?
21:36 < pere> I recommend bts for the packages in debian.
21:36 < white> feel free to join me for testing or devel there
21:37 * pere need instructions on how to test it.
21:37 < pere> but I believe we should close the meeting here.
21:37 < pere> any objections?
21:37 < h01ger> no 21:37 < h01ger> white, what other reasons?
21:37 < luk_> no objections
21:37 < white> h01ger: that it is easier to use than the debian bts
21:38 * h01ger lols at http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1064 from two and a half years ago...
21:38 < pere> Thank you all for joining this meeting. next meeting in three weeks. Please lets work together on IRC in the mean time.
21:38 < white> h01ger: and that the people are ready to put the bugs into the right categories
21:38 < pere> the meeting is now closed.
21:38 -!- pere changed the topic of #debian-edu
to: Next meeting on December 11th, 19.30 UTC, see <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting> | test daily build for test02
21:38 < white> h01ger: so that people do not get blamed for "wrong" bugreports
21:38 < white> i will publish the log now
21:38 < h01ger> white, noooooooooooooooooo. bugzilla is teh pain.
21:39 < white> h01ger: i can understand that bugzilla is easier than bts for most people