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What is this?
Well, isn't it obvious? We want to use this page to list the proposals and ideas so we can make them better and get the best design ever possible for the DebConf6 T-shirts.
Timeframe
Debconf starts very soon. As I write this, we are only 42 days away from Debcamp. We must design and decide quick. At the localteam meeting we held yesterday (March 24), we agreed to have all the design proposals ready in a week time.
Ideas
I am giving the design ideas and design elements we have so far. I also give some opinions - Please don't forget that the opinions are completely subjective. I (Gunnar) try to be neutral, but as we say, I cannot pretend to be a judge and a part in this case.
Pixelgirl
Pixelgirl is the designer for the DebConf6 [http://www.debconf.org website], and has so far made two proposals:
[http://www.creative-geeks.org/temp/t-shirt_sample9_bg-black.jpg Proposal 1: Swirly flag, black background] [http://www.creative-geeks.org/temp/t-shirt_sample9.jpg Proposal 1: Swirly flag, white background]
Pros:
- Very consistent with our webpage theme
Cons:
- Does not say much, it's just the national flag defaced.
- Besides, in Mexico -under some interpretations- it might even be illegal.
- three/four inks (depending on the version). I (Gunnar) suggest we try to make it two, at most three inks (price- and time-wise)
- In general, people didn't go for it.
[http://www.creative-geeks.org/temp/t-shirt_new1.jpg Proposal 2: Swirly sombrero]
Pros:
- Better identifiable as Mexican than the first proposal; no disrespect for national symbols
- The lines are very debianesque!
Cons:
- It might not be the most representative kind of sombrero. Some people noted it looked like a witch's hat.
- As for the locals, instead of promoting the national culture, it promotes one of the most hated cliches about Mexicans. We are not Speedy Gonzalez!
Gunnar
I cannot say much, as I have not done much work - I have asked people who know about prehispanic art (my mother - Thanks! ) to give me some pointers. I suck at graphic design work... But here go some ideas. Instead of repeating the same stuff over and over, here is a link to a [http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/shirts_discussion.mbox mbox with the discussion of the ideas we had] between Andreas, Pixelgirl and me (sorry, the mailbox is not complete, it's only what I had right now). In one of the messages, I sent some files which I detail here:
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/calmecac.jpg calmecac.jpg]: Calmecac and Cuicacalli were the two kinds of schools in the Aztec empire, Calmecac for noble kids and Cuicacalli for learning to work (IIRC)
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/patolli.jpg patolli.jpg]: The game of the ball. The red swirly signs coming from two of the players are their words.
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/great_tenochtitlan.jpg great_tenochtitlan.jpg]: Description of the foundation of the Great Tenochtitlan, which became Mexico City. The Aztecs migrated from Aztlan (see 'peregrination_scroll' below) until they found the sign from the gods: An eagle standing over a cactus eating a snake. That is today's Mexico coat of arms.
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/knowledge_translation.jpg knowledge_translation.jpg]: How was knowledge translated/transmitted to the conquerors. Read right to left, of course - An old Aztec explained his knowledge to Aztec scribans, which wrote it and translated it for the Catholic priest.
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/peregrination_scroll.jpg peregrination_scroll.jpg]: A detail from the scroll where the peregrination from Aztlan to Mexico-Tenochtitlan was told. Here we see they left the eight houses (on top, each of the emblems symbolizes what that house was), prepared and ate food (bottom left) and cried (bottom right).
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/peregrination_scroll_large.jpg peregrination_scroll_large.jpg]: A larger page from the peregrination scroll. It shows they arrived to a place they thought it was the chosen one: A broken tree that didn't fall down. That leads to what I just described above
[http://media.debconf.org/dc6/images/shirt_ideas/codex_samples/oaxtepec.jpg oaxtepec.jpg]: The glyph for Oaxtepec
Andreas
Andreas acknowledges the value of Gunnar's proposals, but finds the drawings unsuitable for a T-shirt, specially for this group. He wants something more easily recognizable as Mexican, with more complex lines, and with more potential to be defaced - His main suggestion is the Aztec Calendar or Sun Stone (Piedra del Sol). Some links to sites that I found might be useful:
[http://mx.geocities.com/astronomiamex/psol/p_sol.html La Piedra del Sol: Una visión cósmica del México antiguo] goes to details on each of the calendar's rings and elements. Perhaps we could just use the [http://mx.geocities.com/astronomiamex/psol/page2.html central area] or [http://mx.geocities.com/astronomiamex/psol/page15.html up to the first ring] as it can be seen in greater detail
[http://www.samaelgnosis.net/imagenes/antropologia/aztecas/cauxicalli/index.htm Piedra del Sol] details on the main elements, can be useful in finding important meanings and not just coming up with them.
Following with his theme of important Mexican art pieces that are easily recognizable, some other ideas I came up with are:
[http://www.bigbangmex.unam.mx/bigbangmex/Coatlicue/coatlicuefrm.htm Coatlicue], mother of all gods
[http://www.americas-fr.com/civilisations/aztecas/dieux.html List of Aztec gods]
[http://www.vivamexico.info/Index1/Tolteques.html The Toltec Atlantes]
[http://www.vivamexico.info/Photos2/Quetzalcoatl2.jpg Quetzalcóatl], the Feathered Snake. Taken from the [http://www.vivamexico.info/Photos/Quetzalcoatl1.jpg Quetzalcóatl Temple in Teotihuacán]
We will quite probably visit [http://www.inah.gob.mx/xochicalco/Xochicalco/Zonar/zax_bhs.htm Xochicalco], maybe something from its walls... [http://ant.morelostravel.com/galeria/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=113 Another gallery], [http://ant.morelostravel.com/galeria/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=109 one more]
What else
I don't know... Please add it here!