Log of the meeting from the 11th, June 2007
19:59 <@C14r> Ok the CipUX Metting 2007-06-11 20:00h CET starts now 20:00 <@C14r> who provides the log? 20:00 < stragaman> wait 20:00 < lwowl> Tach! 20:00 <@C14r> I do anyway ... :D 20:01 -!- [stragaman] [~stragaman@ANancy-156-1-45-68.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #CipUX 20:01 <@C14r> lwowl: Tachechen 20:01 <@C14r> O I forgot, please intruduce your selef with /me Firstname Lastname 20:01 < lwowl> Hi Christian, thank you! 20:01 * [stragaman] Jean-Charles Siegel 20:01 * C14r Christian Kuelker 20:01 * xoswald Xavier Oswald 20:01 * lwowl Wolfgang Drotschmann 20:02 <@C14r> lwowl: your are welcome! 20:02 < lwowl> Have to remember all the things I forgot about irc ;-) 20:02 <@C14r> Idefix (SebastianFriedel), send me a mail, that he has problems to attend. Due to work overload his CipUX server project has not made progress this week. 20:03 <@C14r> lwowl: no problem, we teach you ;-) 20:03 < lwowl> I'll listen carefully :-) 20:03 <@C14r> ok lwowl 20:03 <@C14r> do you have a topic, we should discuss? 20:04 <@C14r> lwowl: please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20070611 20:04 <@C14r> ok, who is providing the log? 20:05 <@xoswald> someone who has log working ;) 20:06 <@C14r> no me ... 20:06 < [stragaman]> sorr, i was sleeping 20:06 <@xoswald> lol 20:06 < [stragaman]> i can do the log 20:06 <@C14r> [stragaman]: can you provide log? 20:06 < [stragaman]> yes 20:07 <@C14r> stragaman: ok, thank you 20:07 <@C14r> who would like to do the moderation? 20:07 < [stragaman]> what do you mean by moderation ? 20:08 <@C14r> announcing the topics and so on ... 20:08 <@C14r> stragaman: as you rememberd, I did thsi last time 20:08 -!- C14r changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20070611 20:08 < [stragaman]> ok 20:08 <@C14r> xoswald: would you do it? 20:09 <@C14r> ore someone else? 20:09 < [stragaman]> i will do it next time 20:09 <@xoswald> I can 20:09 <@C14r> stragaman: ok, thanks 20:09 <@C14r> stragaman: look what xoswald do ;-) 20:09 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: fist point: Preceeding of CipUX (XavierOswald) 20:09 <@C14r> xoswald: (summary?) 20:09 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: first point - Preceeding of CipUX (XavierOswald) 20:10 <@xoswald> better 20:10 <@C14r> (you should ask for a summery) 20:10 <@xoswald> (1) what drain my time 20:10 <@xoswald> My girl friend and my new job in the computer science lab. 20:10 <@xoswald> ohh 20:10 <@xoswald> right 20:10 <@xoswald> well who wil then do the summary ?? ;) 20:10 <@C14r> me! :D 20:10 <@xoswald> great !! :) 20:11 <@C14r> :) 20:11 <@xoswald> can I start ? 20:11 < [stragaman]> ok 20:11 <@C14r> you are the moderator! 20:11 <@C14r> :D 20:11 <@xoswald> ok 20:11 <@xoswald> (2) actual status of my work 20:11 <@xoswald> Debconf work now and is asking a question ;) 20:11 <@xoswald> It needs some cleanup, but the basic files are created, lintian warnings should 20:11 <@xoswald> be removed in the future. 20:12 <@xoswald> after that, I will do the preseeding things with debconf 20:12 <@xoswald> (3) my plan for next week 20:12 <@xoswald> Not only my plan, but our plan, is to put in the wiki all needed questions that 20:12 <@xoswald> should be preseeded in the future. 20:12 <@xoswald> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf 20:12 -!- jever [jever@pD95764D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #CipUX 20:12 -!- mode/#CipUX [+o jever] by ChanServ 20:12 <@xoswald> jever: great you are here :) 20:13 <@C14r> jever: Introduce yourself with /me Firstname Lastname ;) 20:13 <@xoswald> well jever, can you do /me firstname lastname ;) 20:13 * jever = Juergen Leibner 20:13 <@C14r> (sorry xoswald you are the moderatoer ;) 20:14 <@C14r> xoswald: can I ask questions to the first topic? 20:14 <@xoswald> jever: well I will paste what I already say.. 20:14 <@xoswald> (2) actual status of my work 20:14 <@xoswald> Debconf work now and is asking a question ;) 20:14 <@xoswald> It needs some cleanup, but the basic files are created, lintian warnings should 20:14 <@xoswald> be removed in the future. 20:14 <@xoswald> after that, I will do the preseeding things with debconf 20:14 <@jever> Sorry, my fuse jumped out and my gateway break just I wanted to join the meeting :( 20:14 <@xoswald> (3) my plan for next week 20:14 <@xoswald> Not only my plan, but our plan, is to put in the wiki all needed questions that 20:14 <@xoswald> should be preseeded in the future. 20:14 <@xoswald> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf 20:14 <@xoswald> jever: so you have all informations ;) 20:14 <@xoswald> questions ?? 20:14 <@C14r> yes 20:15 <@C14r> we got some lintian warning I think ... 20:15 <@C14r> because of preceeding I think 20:15 <@C14r> Did you realize this? 20:15 <@xoswald> C14r: as I said 20:15 <@xoswald> look my point 2 ;) 20:15 <@C14r> oh! 20:15 <@C14r> sorry!!! 20:16 <@C14r> ok, then you will solve this next time, ok 20:16 <@xoswald> I will manage this problem, don't worry 20:16 <@C14r> ok ok 20:16 <@C14r> so I woul like to encourage to supply imstall question to that page! 20:16 <@xoswald> so hte relevant thing is to put questions in the wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf 20:16 <@jever> C14r: be patient 20:16 <@C14r> jever: I am not i a hurry! 20:17 <@xoswald> other questions ? or we can switch to the next topic ? 20:17 <@C14r> yes 20:17 < [stragaman]> next topic ? 20:17 <@C14r> no 20:17 < [stragaman]> or next person ? 20:17 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: second point - Weekly Report on CipuxPHP 20:17 <@C14r> will debconf use ncurses? 20:18 <@xoswald> C14r: yes 20:18 <@C14r> ok 20:18 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: second point - Weekly Report on CipuxPHPi (JeanCharlesSiegel & ChristopheGoessen) 20:18 <@C14r> next tpic 20:18 <@C14r> CipuxPHPi <-- i? 20:18 <@xoswald> C14r: vim mistake ;) 20:18 < [stragaman]> ok 20:19 < [stragaman]> what drain our time ( azmaeve and me) ? 20:19 < [stragaman]> so upgrade cipuxPHP into PHP5 20:20 <@C14r> ... 20:20 < [stragaman]> the status of our work, we think, the most part will be finished 20:20 < [stragaman]> tomorrow 20:20 < [stragaman]> and then some details the solved 20:20 < [stragaman]> and the plan for next week 20:21 < [stragaman]> trying to do a good install script 20:21 <@C14r> nice!!! :) 20:21 < [stragaman]> and next make a pakage with cipuxPHP 20:21 < [stragaman]> we have a debian packaginig lesson next week 20:21 < [stragaman]> but we can ttry to begin 20:22 <@xoswald> yes, sven luther will come to forbach to teach debian packaging, that's nice 20:22 <@C14r> wau! 20:22 <@C14r> may I ask questions? 20:22 < [stragaman]> so azmaeve something to say ? do i have make a good report ? 20:23 < azmaeve> no that's fine :) 20:23 <@C14r> yes slow but good 20:23 <@xoswald> questions ? or next point ? 20:23 < [stragaman]> i don't have a good feeling with writing english 20:23 <@C14r> ok, will you write install guide? 20:23 < lazyb0y> C14r: pong 20:23 <@C14r> stragaman: (you inglish was good, and every meeting this will get better) 20:23 < lazyb0y> C14r: I can do, but after debconf... 20:24 <@C14r> lazyb0y: ok 20:24 <@C14r> lazyb0y: that would be nice, I write mail 20:24 <@C14r> azmaeve: ok, will you write install guide? 20:24 < [stragaman]> C14r: yes 20:24 <@C14r> ok, great 20:24 <@C14r> what else documentation is planned? 20:25 <@xoswald> [stragaman]: I would be happy to have a security managment documentation and how security is handled in cipuxPHP 20:26 < [stragaman]> euh....ok 20:26 < azmaeve> C14r: I think a new CipuxPHP developper doc would be nice due to PHP5 things... 20:26 <@C14r> azmaeve: yes thatwould be great 20:27 <@C14r> xoswald: yes lets say we would like to have a description on how the interal work, so we can have a look and improve security if nessesary 20:27 <@xoswald> if security is well handled I could be able to upload it into debian 20:27 <@C14r> yes 20:27 <@C14r> would be great 20:27 <@xoswald> so next point ? 20:28 <@C14r> so we need a description what will happen with a user request from webrower till RPC serve call 20:28 <@C14r> xoswald: ok next 20:28 <@xoswald> topic CipUX Meetting in Progress: third point - Userselfadmin (ChristianKuelker) 20:28 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: third point - Userselfadmin (ChristianKuelker) 20:29 <@xoswald> C14r: ok, your turn ;) 20:29 <@C14r> Ok, I would like to introduce you Wolfgang, you was the guy who wrote the first draft of USeradmin 20:29 <@C14r> ups he logged out ... 20:29 < lwowl> C14r: How nice to tell it a first draft ;-) 20:30 <@C14r> hehe 20:30 <@C14r> So lwowl what are your plans? 20:30 < lwowl> First I have to get a working cipux version on my desktop. 20:31 < lwowl> Will try to manage this until Thursday evening. 20:31 <@C14r> Ok we will help you in that 20:31 <@C14r> There is a new installer script ... 20:31 < lwowl> Yeah! I'm sure I'll stumble over some <fallstricke< 20:32 <@C14r> So to make it short, you are planning to set up the infrastructure this week, and we can begin with that next week, is that ok for you? 20:32 < lwowl> Yes, absolutely. 20:32 <@C14r> ok, then you will report on that next week, ok? 20:33 <@C14r> (Seeting up CipUX infrastructure) 20:33 <@C14r> ok? 20:33 < lwowl> It's in the log, so no way out of this ;-) 20:33 <@C14r> :) 20:33 <@C14r> questions to Wolfagng? 20:34 < [stragaman]> no 20:34 < lwowl> Maybe next time :-) 20:34 <@C14r> :) ok, text topic? 20:34 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: fourth point - CipUX Database Abstraction Layer (ChristianKuelker) 20:34 <@C14r> CiPUX Database Abstraction Layer 20:34 <@C14r> 1: TD: I had to read a book about C++, because of work ... 20:34 <@C14r> 2: Status: I wrote a draft documentation (specification) for the LDAP abstraction layer using Net::LDAP instead of command line tool. 20:35 <@C14r> 3: Plan: I would like to finish Useradmin and try the first implematation of CipUX::LDAP. 20:35 <@C14r> questions? 20:35 < lwowl> You have a piece of text about this task? 20:35 <@xoswald> C14r: Net:LDAP is for authentication ? 20:36 <@C14r> lwowl: not at the moment, but I can provide one during this week, ok? 20:36 < lwowl> No.. I mean about this DB Abstraction Layer Thingy... 20:36 < lwowl> Ah, okay, fine :-) 20:36 <@C14r> lwowl: yes I wrote a draft 20:36 <@C14r> I will put this in SVN and write a mail on cipux-devel 20:37 <@C14r> xoswald: no this is not for authentication 20:37 < lwowl> Hm... I'll have to subscribe to this list, missed it. 20:37 <@xoswald> C14r: ok 20:37 <@C14r> :) 20:37 <@C14r> xoswald: it will replace the scripts under .../lal/... 20:37 <@xoswald> ok 20:37 <@C14r> I have aquestion ... 20:38 <@C14r> But I am not sure for the naming ... CipUX::LDAP, CipUX::Storage, CipUX::SAL, ... The reason is: Should we only support LDAP or other Databaes too, like Mysql to store CipUX Objects? If we provide other databases too, we can definde atitional datasources. And maybe we can provide be amixture: users in LDAP, FAI data in MySQL ... all get/set over generic CipUX commands. What do you folks think? 20:39 < lwowl> More work? But good to have possibilities for other DB 20:39 <@jever> the possibility of having other databases should be there, but it should not be use now 20:39 <@C14r> yes more work, but we should do this as a design decision 20:39 <@C14r> jever: right 20:39 * lwowl nods 20:40 <@C14r> for DebianEdu LDAP is fine 20:40 <@C14r> But to store everything in LDAP hurts ... 20:40 <@jever> can it be implemented like nsomething as a plug-in? 20:40 <@C14r> plug into what? 20:42 <@jever> as in: ldap-db-module, mysql-db-module and so on? 20:42 <@C14r> I think the conf file should dispatch where the data is stored ... 20:42 <@C14r> oh yes that is what I am asking, if we should have this ... 20:43 <@C14r> if no: ir write 1 class, if yes: if ahve to write 1 base classe and for every stroage a "plug-in"-class 20:43 <@C14r> ok questions? Next toppic? 20:44 * jever says YES 20:44 <@C14r> hehe 20:44 <@xoswald> YES for me too ;) 20:44 -!- kernelsensei [~boris@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-253-161.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44 < [stragaman]> tomorrow 29°C in Berlin 20:44 <@xoswald> lol 20:44 < [stragaman]> no quesition 20:45 -!- kernelsensei [~boris@81.56.253.161] has joined #CipUX 20:45 < [stragaman]> s/quesition/question 20:45 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 5 - Just a thinking during the meeting ;) 20:45 <@C14r> [stragaman]: nice its getting cold, today 34 and in my car 43 ... 20:45 <@xoswald> Im thinking about presenting each people in the team with setting a page in the 20:45 <@xoswald> wiki and then each person involved in cipux present his self and what he is 20:45 <@xoswald> doing in cipux. Since we are a growing team, it would make the responsabilities 20:45 <@xoswald> of each person clear. Presenting the whole team in one wiki page not 1 page per 20:45 <@xoswald> person ;) 20:45 <@jever> ... because C14r's super massive parallel computer heat's Brlin 20:46 <@C14r> jever: :) 20:46 <@C14r> xoswald: ok 20:46 < [stragaman]> lol 20:46 <@xoswald> everybody aggrees with my request ? 20:46 < [stragaman]> why not 20:46 <@C14r> xoswald: yes 20:46 * lwowl nods 20:47 <@xoswald> ok, then next topic 20:47 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 6 - (PhilippeFalvo) ?? 20:47 <@jever> xoswald: may one put in a link to the sies, where his wiki-home is? 20:47 <@C14r> lwowl: can you crate team page and write mail? 20:47 <@xoswald> jever: this is possible, but the relevant thing is to say what you are doing in the cipux team 20:47 < [stragaman]> xoswald, what do you want about philippe falvo ? 20:47 <@C14r> jever yes 20:48 <@C14r> we have also the possibility to use wiki.cipux.org ... 20:48 <@xoswald> C14r: (PhilippeFalvo), this was at the topic ? 20:48 <@C14r> xoswald: no 20:48 <@jever> xoswald: as addon, I thought 20:48 < lwowl> C14r: I can try to remember this... 20:48 <@C14r> he provided no title 20:48 <@xoswald> ok, then next topic ;) 20:48 <@C14r> lwowl: pencil! 20:48 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 7 - CipUX Buildserver Migration (JuergenLeibner) 20:48 <@C14r> xoswald: and he not here ;) 20:48 <@jever> oh, it's me 20:48 < lwowl> Kurt would say: Wiedervorlage ;-) 20:49 <@C14r> stragaman: can you ask him to join the channel more often? 20:49 <@C14r> lwowl: hehe 20:49 <@jever> migrating the buildserver was done on friday 20:49 <@jever> it was for months at my home 20:50 <@jever> he is now working at skolelinux testzentrum in Guetersloh 20:50 <@jever> he usaliy is up 24/365 20:50 <@jever> and updates every 1/2h 20:51 <@xoswald> jever: I will be afraid of k4x at your place ;) 20:51 * xoswald jokes 20:51 < lwowl> lol 20:51 <@jever> the script, which blames me now in SVN, has to be niced up and corrected 20:51 <@C14r> (the blame was only the committed password) 20:52 <@jever> xoswald: it is not me who has to be afraid it's k4x ;-) 20:52 <@C14r> (wich is not langer valid) 20:52 <@C14r> How we announce the existing of the buildserver? 20:52 <@C14r> Because it is now a 24/365 service, we can announce it :) 20:53 <@jever> so, as xoswald told, there has to be made some changes to the script to avoid warnings 20:53 <@C14r> ok 20:53 <@jever> I will rewrite it and ask xoswald to check in this week 20:53 <@C14r> ok, nice plan 20:53 <@jever> s/in/it/ 20:53 <@xoswald> jever: np, feel free to ping me or send me a mail 20:54 <@jever> thank you, xoswald 20:54 <@C14r> jever: will you announce the buildserver on the mailinglist? 20:54 * jever is not agood scripter 20:54 <@C14r> (cipux-devel) 20:54 * C14r thinks jeer will becoem a good scripter ... 20:55 <@C14r> s/jeer/jever/ 20:55 <@jever> I think, that is not necessary, because he worked since nearly5 months 20:55 <@jever> any questions? 20:55 <@C14r> yes, but commerical is always good, becausewe did not announce it. 20:56 <@jever> we announced it 20:56 <@jever> afaik 20:56 <@C14r> so officially there is no buildserver, since I cant rember a single mail ... 20:56 <@xoswald> so we can speak later, I have a last point 20:56 <@C14r> Is the URL in the wiki? 20:56 <@C14r> ok 20:56 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 8 - next meeting ? 20:57 <@jever> say that you realy want to have a mail and I write one ;-) 20:57 <@C14r> jever: yes I want a mail and a page ;-) 20:57 <@jever> I do the mail, you the page ;-) 20:57 <@C14r> I can help, but you should earn the proud 20:57 <@C14r> jever: ok 20:57 <@xoswald> Will we keep every monday or switch to something like each two weeks ? 20:58 <@C14r> xoswald: I think we should do it every monday till CipUXPHP is over,ok? 20:58 <@xoswald> ok, np for me 20:58 <@C14r> then we could think, but I got used to it:) 20:58 < [stragaman]> ok 20:58 <@C14r> perfect! 20:58 <@xoswald> so next meeting, next monday at 20h00 CET ? 20:59 <@C14r> next monday 20:00 CET for me ok! 20:59 < [stragaman]> ok 20:59 <@C14r> azmaeve: ? 20:59 * lwowl nods 20:59 <@jever> not for me, is LUG here 20:59 <@C14r> stragaman: ask waam to 20:59 <@xoswald> lwowl: you nods a lot ;) 20:59 <@C14r> jever: :/ but then you are on board in 2 weeks ... 21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: this is his privileg! 21:00 < azmaeve> ok 21:00 <@xoswald> or we can switch to tuesday for jever ? 21:00 <@jever> may be, here is every monday LUG in OWL 21:00 < lwowl> C14r: I have to change this habbit for Athens... 21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: I have no time on tuesday 21:01 < lwowl> Nor have I. 21:01 <@C14r> Monday is a good starting point of the week ;-) 21:01 <@jever> xoswald: np, I don't visit all LUG events, my wife would throw me outside if I would do ;-) 21:01 * lwowl nods :-) 21:01 <@xoswald> ok, then we will keep monday, and jever will try to do hist best for the next time : 21:00 < lwowl> C14r: I have to change this habbit for Athens... 21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: I have no time on tuesday 21:01 < lwowl> Nor have I. 21:01 <@C14r> Monday is a good starting point of the week ;-) 21:01 <@jever> xoswald: np, I don't visit all LUG events, my wife would throw me outside if I would do ;-) 21:01 * lwowl nods :-) 21:01 <@xoswald> ok, then we will keep monday, and jever will try to do hist best for the next time :) 21:01 <@xoswald> lwowl: ;) 21:01 <@C14r> yes I think a good solution for now 21:01 <@xoswald> ok 21:01 < [stragaman]> ok 21:02 <@C14r> ok, thank you all for reports an attendence! Was a nice meeting :) 21:02 * lwowl nods again :-) 21:02 <@jever> nice as a flower in may ;-) 21:02 < [stragaman]> does the meeting over ?? 21:02 <@C14r> (if xoswald closeit) 21:02 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: Next cipux meeting, 18/06/2007 at 20:00 CET 21:03 <@xoswald> ok, then I close this meeting... !!