Log of the meeting from the 11th, June 2007
19:59 <@C14r> Ok the CipUX Metting 2007-06-11 20:00h CET starts now
20:00 <@C14r> who provides the log?
20:00 < stragaman> wait
20:00 < lwowl> Tach!
20:00 <@C14r> I do anyway ... :D
20:01 -!- [stragaman] [~stragaman@ANancy-156-1-45-68.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #CipUX
20:01 <@C14r> lwowl: Tachechen
20:01 <@C14r> O I forgot, please intruduce your selef with /me Firstname Lastname
20:01 < lwowl> Hi Christian, thank you!
20:01 * [stragaman] Jean-Charles Siegel
20:01 * C14r Christian Kuelker
20:01 * xoswald Xavier Oswald
20:01 * lwowl Wolfgang Drotschmann
20:02 <@C14r> lwowl: your are welcome!
20:02 < lwowl> Have to remember all the things I forgot about irc ;-)
20:02 <@C14r> Idefix (SebastianFriedel), send me a mail, that he has problems to attend. Due to work overload his CipUX server project has not made progress this week.
20:03 <@C14r> lwowl: no problem, we teach you ;-)
20:03 < lwowl> I'll listen carefully :-)
20:03 <@C14r> ok lwowl
20:03 <@C14r> do you have a topic, we should discuss?
20:04 <@C14r> lwowl: please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20070611
20:04 <@C14r> ok, who is providing the log?
20:05 <@xoswald> someone who has log working ;)
20:06 <@C14r> no me ...
20:06 < [stragaman]> sorr, i was sleeping
20:06 <@xoswald> lol
20:06 < [stragaman]> i can do the log
20:06 <@C14r> [stragaman]: can you provide log?
20:06 < [stragaman]> yes
20:07 <@C14r> stragaman: ok, thank you
20:07 <@C14r> who would like to do the moderation?
20:07 < [stragaman]> what do you mean by moderation ?
20:08 <@C14r> announcing the topics and so on ...
20:08 <@C14r> stragaman: as you rememberd, I did thsi last time
20:08 -!- C14r changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20070611
20:08 < [stragaman]> ok
20:08 <@C14r> xoswald: would you do it?
20:09 <@C14r> ore someone else?
20:09 < [stragaman]> i will do it next time
20:09 <@xoswald> I can
20:09 <@C14r> stragaman: ok, thanks
20:09 <@C14r> stragaman: look what xoswald do ;-)
20:09 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: fist point: Preceeding of CipUX (XavierOswald)
20:09 <@C14r> xoswald: (summary?)
20:09 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: first point - Preceeding of CipUX (XavierOswald)
20:10 <@xoswald> better
20:10 <@C14r> (you should ask for a summery)
20:10 <@xoswald> (1) what drain my time
20:10 <@xoswald> My girl friend and my new job in the computer science lab.
20:10 <@xoswald> ohh
20:10 <@xoswald> right
20:10 <@xoswald> well who wil then do the summary ?? ;)
20:10 <@C14r> me! :D
20:10 <@xoswald> great !! :)
20:11 <@C14r> :)
20:11 <@xoswald> can I start ?
20:11 < [stragaman]> ok
20:11 <@C14r> you are the moderator!
20:11 <@C14r> :D
20:11 <@xoswald> ok
20:11 <@xoswald> (2) actual status of my work
20:11 <@xoswald> Debconf work now and is asking a question ;)
20:11 <@xoswald> It needs some cleanup, but the basic files are created, lintian warnings should
20:11 <@xoswald> be removed in the future.
20:12 <@xoswald> after that, I will do the preseeding things with debconf
20:12 <@xoswald> (3) my plan for next week
20:12 <@xoswald> Not only my plan, but our plan, is to put in the wiki all needed questions that
20:12 <@xoswald> should be preseeded in the future.
20:12 <@xoswald> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf
20:12 -!- jever [jever@pD95764D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #CipUX
20:12 -!- mode/#CipUX [+o jever] by ChanServ
20:12 <@xoswald> jever: great you are here :)
20:13 <@C14r> jever: Introduce yourself with /me Firstname Lastname ;)
20:13 <@xoswald> well jever, can you do /me firstname lastname ;)
20:13 * jever = Juergen Leibner
20:13 <@C14r> (sorry xoswald you are the moderatoer ;)
20:14 <@C14r> xoswald: can I ask questions to the first topic?
20:14 <@xoswald> jever: well I will paste what I already say..
20:14 <@xoswald> (2) actual status of my work
20:14 <@xoswald> Debconf work now and is asking a question ;)
20:14 <@xoswald> It needs some cleanup, but the basic files are created, lintian warnings should
20:14 <@xoswald> be removed in the future.
20:14 <@xoswald> after that, I will do the preseeding things with debconf
20:14 <@jever> Sorry, my fuse jumped out and my gateway break just I wanted to join the meeting :(
20:14 <@xoswald> (3) my plan for next week
20:14 <@xoswald> Not only my plan, but our plan, is to put in the wiki all needed questions that
20:14 <@xoswald> should be preseeded in the future.
20:14 <@xoswald> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf
20:14 <@xoswald> jever: so you have all informations ;)
20:14 <@xoswald> questions ??
20:14 <@C14r> yes
20:15 <@C14r> we got some lintian warning I think ...
20:15 <@C14r> because of preceeding I think
20:15 <@C14r> Did you realize this?
20:15 <@xoswald> C14r: as I said
20:15 <@xoswald> look my point 2 ;)
20:15 <@C14r> oh!
20:15 <@C14r> sorry!!!
20:16 <@C14r> ok, then you will solve this next time, ok
20:16 <@xoswald> I will manage this problem, don't worry
20:16 <@C14r> ok ok
20:16 <@C14r> so I woul like to encourage to supply imstall question to that page!
20:16 <@xoswald> so hte relevant thing is to put questions in the wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Debconf
20:16 <@jever> C14r: be patient
20:16 <@C14r> jever: I am not i a hurry!
20:17 <@xoswald> other questions ? or we can switch to the next topic ?
20:17 <@C14r> yes
20:17 < [stragaman]> next topic ?
20:17 <@C14r> no
20:17 < [stragaman]> or next person ?
20:17 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: second point - Weekly Report on CipuxPHP
20:17 <@C14r> will debconf use ncurses?
20:18 <@xoswald> C14r: yes
20:18 <@C14r> ok
20:18 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: second point - Weekly Report on CipuxPHPi (JeanCharlesSiegel & ChristopheGoessen)
20:18 <@C14r> next tpic
20:18 <@C14r> CipuxPHPi <-- i?
20:18 <@xoswald> C14r: vim mistake ;)
20:18 < [stragaman]> ok
20:19 < [stragaman]> what drain our time ( azmaeve and me) ?
20:19 < [stragaman]> so upgrade cipuxPHP into PHP5
20:20 <@C14r> ...
20:20 < [stragaman]> the status of our work, we think, the most part will be finished
20:20 < [stragaman]> tomorrow
20:20 < [stragaman]> and then some details the solved
20:20 < [stragaman]> and the plan for next week
20:21 < [stragaman]> trying to do a good install script
20:21 <@C14r> nice!!! :)
20:21 < [stragaman]> and next make a pakage with cipuxPHP
20:21 < [stragaman]> we have a debian packaginig lesson next week
20:21 < [stragaman]> but we can ttry to begin
20:22 <@xoswald> yes, sven luther will come to forbach to teach debian packaging, that's nice
20:22 <@C14r> wau!
20:22 <@C14r> may I ask questions?
20:22 < [stragaman]> so azmaeve something to say ? do i have make a good report ?
20:23 < azmaeve> no that's fine :)
20:23 <@C14r> yes slow but good
20:23 <@xoswald> questions ? or next point ?
20:23 < [stragaman]> i don't have a good feeling with writing english
20:23 <@C14r> ok, will you write install guide?
20:23 < lazyb0y> C14r: pong
20:23 <@C14r> stragaman: (you inglish was good, and every meeting this will get better)
20:23 < lazyb0y> C14r: I can do, but after debconf...
20:24 <@C14r> lazyb0y: ok
20:24 <@C14r> lazyb0y: that would be nice, I write mail
20:24 <@C14r> azmaeve: ok, will you write install guide?
20:24 < [stragaman]> C14r: yes
20:24 <@C14r> ok, great
20:24 <@C14r> what else documentation is planned?
20:25 <@xoswald> [stragaman]: I would be happy to have a security managment documentation and how security is handled in cipuxPHP
20:26 < [stragaman]> euh....ok
20:26 < azmaeve> C14r: I think a new CipuxPHP developper doc would be nice due to PHP5 things...
20:26 <@C14r> azmaeve: yes thatwould be great
20:27 <@C14r> xoswald: yes lets say we would like to have a description on how the interal work, so we can have a look and improve security if nessesary
20:27 <@xoswald> if security is well handled I could be able to upload it into debian
20:27 <@C14r> yes
20:27 <@C14r> would be great
20:27 <@xoswald> so next point ?
20:28 <@C14r> so we need a description what will happen with a user request from webrower till RPC serve call
20:28 <@C14r> xoswald: ok next
20:28 <@xoswald> topic CipUX Meetting in Progress: third point - Userselfadmin (ChristianKuelker)
20:28 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: third point - Userselfadmin (ChristianKuelker)
20:29 <@xoswald> C14r: ok, your turn ;)
20:29 <@C14r> Ok, I would like to introduce you Wolfgang, you was the guy who wrote the first draft of USeradmin
20:29 <@C14r> ups he logged out ...
20:29 < lwowl> C14r: How nice to tell it a first draft ;-)
20:30 <@C14r> hehe
20:30 <@C14r> So lwowl what are your plans?
20:30 < lwowl> First I have to get a working cipux version on my desktop.
20:31 < lwowl> Will try to manage this until Thursday evening.
20:31 <@C14r> Ok we will help you in that
20:31 <@C14r> There is a new installer script ...
20:31 < lwowl> Yeah! I'm sure I'll stumble over some <fallstricke<
20:32 <@C14r> So to make it short, you are planning to set up the infrastructure this week, and we can begin with that next week, is that ok for you?
20:32 < lwowl> Yes, absolutely.
20:32 <@C14r> ok, then you will report on that next week, ok?
20:33 <@C14r> (Seeting up CipUX infrastructure)
20:33 <@C14r> ok?
20:33 < lwowl> It's in the log, so no way out of this ;-)
20:33 <@C14r> :)
20:33 <@C14r> questions to Wolfagng?
20:34 < [stragaman]> no
20:34 < lwowl> Maybe next time :-)
20:34 <@C14r> :) ok, text topic?
20:34 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: fourth point - CipUX Database Abstraction Layer (ChristianKuelker)
20:34 <@C14r> CiPUX Database Abstraction Layer
20:34 <@C14r> 1: TD: I had to read a book about C++, because of work ...
20:34 <@C14r> 2: Status: I wrote a draft documentation (specification) for the LDAP abstraction layer using Net::LDAP instead of command line tool.
20:35 <@C14r> 3: Plan: I would like to finish Useradmin and try the first implematation of CipUX::LDAP.
20:35 <@C14r> questions?
20:35 < lwowl> You have a piece of text about this task?
20:35 <@xoswald> C14r: Net:LDAP is for authentication ?
20:36 <@C14r> lwowl: not at the moment, but I can provide one during this week, ok?
20:36 < lwowl> No.. I mean about this DB Abstraction Layer Thingy...
20:36 < lwowl> Ah, okay, fine :-)
20:36 <@C14r> lwowl: yes I wrote a draft
20:36 <@C14r> I will put this in SVN and write a mail on cipux-devel
20:37 <@C14r> xoswald: no this is not for authentication
20:37 < lwowl> Hm... I'll have to subscribe to this list, missed it.
20:37 <@xoswald> C14r: ok
20:37 <@C14r> :)
20:37 <@C14r> xoswald: it will replace the scripts under .../lal/...
20:37 <@xoswald> ok
20:37 <@C14r> I have aquestion ...
20:38 <@C14r> But I am not sure for the naming ... CipUX::LDAP, CipUX::Storage, CipUX::SAL, ... The reason is: Should we only support LDAP or other Databaes too, like
Mysql to store CipUX Objects? If we provide other databases too, we can definde atitional datasources. And maybe we can provide be amixture: users in LDAP,
FAI data in MySQL ... all get/set over generic CipUX commands. What do you folks think?
20:39 < lwowl> More work? But good to have possibilities for other DB
20:39 <@jever> the possibility of having other databases should be there, but it should not be use now
20:39 <@C14r> yes more work, but we should do this as a design decision
20:39 <@C14r> jever: right
20:39 * lwowl nods
20:40 <@C14r> for DebianEdu LDAP is fine
20:40 <@C14r> But to store everything in LDAP hurts ...
20:40 <@jever> can it be implemented like nsomething as a plug-in?
20:40 <@C14r> plug into what?
20:42 <@jever> as in: ldap-db-module, mysql-db-module and so on?
20:42 <@C14r> I think the conf file should dispatch where the data is stored ...
20:42 <@C14r> oh yes that is what I am asking, if we should have this ...
20:43 <@C14r> if no: ir write 1 class, if yes: if ahve to write 1 base classe and for every stroage a "plug-in"-class
20:43 <@C14r> ok questions? Next toppic?
20:44 * jever says YES
20:44 <@C14r> hehe
20:44 <@xoswald> YES for me too ;)
20:44 -!- kernelsensei [~boris@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-253-161.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:44 < [stragaman]> tomorrow 29°C in Berlin
20:44 <@xoswald> lol
20:44 < [stragaman]> no quesition
20:45 -!- kernelsensei [~boris@81.56.253.161] has joined #CipUX
20:45 < [stragaman]> s/quesition/question
20:45 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 5 - Just a thinking during the meeting ;)
20:45 <@C14r> [stragaman]: nice its getting cold, today 34 and in my car 43 ...
20:45 <@xoswald> Im thinking about presenting each people in the team with setting a page in the
20:45 <@xoswald> wiki and then each person involved in cipux present his self and what he is
20:45 <@xoswald> doing in cipux. Since we are a growing team, it would make the responsabilities
20:45 <@xoswald> of each person clear. Presenting the whole team in one wiki page not 1 page per
20:45 <@xoswald> person ;)
20:45 <@jever> ... because C14r's super massive parallel computer heat's Brlin
20:46 <@C14r> jever: :)
20:46 <@C14r> xoswald: ok
20:46 < [stragaman]> lol
20:46 <@xoswald> everybody aggrees with my request ?
20:46 < [stragaman]> why not
20:46 <@C14r> xoswald: yes
20:46 * lwowl nods
20:47 <@xoswald> ok, then next topic
20:47 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 6 - (PhilippeFalvo) ??
20:47 <@jever> xoswald: may one put in a link to the sies, where his wiki-home is?
20:47 <@C14r> lwowl: can you crate team page and write mail?
20:47 <@xoswald> jever: this is possible, but the relevant thing is to say what you are doing in the cipux team
20:47 < [stragaman]> xoswald, what do you want about philippe falvo ?
20:47 <@C14r> jever yes
20:48 <@C14r> we have also the possibility to use wiki.cipux.org ...
20:48 <@xoswald> C14r: (PhilippeFalvo), this was at the topic ?
20:48 <@C14r> xoswald: no
20:48 <@jever> xoswald: as addon, I thought
20:48 < lwowl> C14r: I can try to remember this...
20:48 <@C14r> he provided no title
20:48 <@xoswald> ok, then next topic ;)
20:48 <@C14r> lwowl: pencil!
20:48 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 7 - CipUX Buildserver Migration (JuergenLeibner)
20:48 <@C14r> xoswald: and he not here ;)
20:48 <@jever> oh, it's me
20:48 < lwowl> Kurt would say: Wiedervorlage ;-)
20:49 <@C14r> stragaman: can you ask him to join the channel more often?
20:49 <@C14r> lwowl: hehe
20:49 <@jever> migrating the buildserver was done on friday
20:49 <@jever> it was for months at my home
20:50 <@jever> he is now working at skolelinux testzentrum in Guetersloh
20:50 <@jever> he usaliy is up 24/365
20:50 <@jever> and updates every 1/2h
20:51 <@xoswald> jever: I will be afraid of k4x at your place ;)
20:51 * xoswald jokes
20:51 < lwowl> lol
20:51 <@jever> the script, which blames me now in SVN, has to be niced up and corrected
20:51 <@C14r> (the blame was only the committed password)
20:52 <@jever> xoswald: it is not me who has to be afraid it's k4x ;-)
20:52 <@C14r> (wich is not langer valid)
20:52 <@C14r> How we announce the existing of the buildserver?
20:52 <@C14r> Because it is now a 24/365 service, we can announce it :)
20:53 <@jever> so, as xoswald told, there has to be made some changes to the script to avoid warnings
20:53 <@C14r> ok
20:53 <@jever> I will rewrite it and ask xoswald to check in this week
20:53 <@C14r> ok, nice plan
20:53 <@jever> s/in/it/
20:53 <@xoswald> jever: np, feel free to ping me or send me a mail
20:54 <@jever> thank you, xoswald
20:54 <@C14r> jever: will you announce the buildserver on the mailinglist?
20:54 * jever is not agood scripter
20:54 <@C14r> (cipux-devel)
20:54 * C14r thinks jeer will becoem a good scripter ...
20:55 <@C14r> s/jeer/jever/
20:55 <@jever> I think, that is not necessary, because he worked since nearly5 months
20:55 <@jever> any questions?
20:55 <@C14r> yes, but commerical is always good, becausewe did not announce it.
20:56 <@jever> we announced it
20:56 <@jever> afaik
20:56 <@C14r> so officially there is no buildserver, since I cant rember a single mail ...
20:56 <@xoswald> so we can speak later, I have a last point
20:56 <@C14r> Is the URL in the wiki?
20:56 <@C14r> ok
20:56 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: CipUX Meetting in Progress: point 8 - next meeting ?
20:57 <@jever> say that you realy want to have a mail and I write one ;-)
20:57 <@C14r> jever: yes I want a mail and a page ;-)
20:57 <@jever> I do the mail, you the page ;-)
20:57 <@C14r> I can help, but you should earn the proud
20:57 <@C14r> jever: ok
20:57 <@xoswald> Will we keep every monday or switch to something like each two weeks ?
20:58 <@C14r> xoswald: I think we should do it every monday till CipUXPHP is over,ok?
20:58 <@xoswald> ok, np for me
20:58 <@C14r> then we could think, but I got used to it:)
20:58 < [stragaman]> ok
20:58 <@C14r> perfect!
20:58 <@xoswald> so next meeting, next monday at 20h00 CET ?
20:59 <@C14r> next monday 20:00 CET for me ok!
20:59 < [stragaman]> ok
20:59 <@C14r> azmaeve: ?
20:59 * lwowl nods
20:59 <@jever> not for me, is LUG here
20:59 <@C14r> stragaman: ask waam to
20:59 <@xoswald> lwowl: you nods a lot ;)
20:59 <@C14r> jever: :/ but then you are on board in 2 weeks ...
21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: this is his privileg!
21:00 < azmaeve> ok
21:00 <@xoswald> or we can switch to tuesday for jever ?
21:00 <@jever> may be, here is every monday LUG in OWL
21:00 < lwowl> C14r: I have to change this habbit for Athens...
21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: I have no time on tuesday
21:01 < lwowl> Nor have I.
21:01 <@C14r> Monday is a good starting point of the week ;-)
21:01 <@jever> xoswald: np, I don't visit all LUG events, my wife would throw me outside if I would do ;-)
21:01 * lwowl nods :-)
21:01 <@xoswald> ok, then we will keep monday, and jever will try to do hist best for the next time :
21:00 < lwowl> C14r: I have to change this habbit for Athens...
21:00 <@C14r> xoswald: I have no time on tuesday
21:01 < lwowl> Nor have I.
21:01 <@C14r> Monday is a good starting point of the week ;-)
21:01 <@jever> xoswald: np, I don't visit all LUG events, my wife would throw me outside if I would do ;-)
21:01 * lwowl nods :-)
21:01 <@xoswald> ok, then we will keep monday, and jever will try to do hist best for the next time :)
21:01 <@xoswald> lwowl: ;)
21:01 <@C14r> yes I think a good solution for now
21:01 <@xoswald> ok
21:01 < [stragaman]> ok
21:02 <@C14r> ok, thank you all for reports an attendence! Was a nice meeting :)
21:02 * lwowl nods again :-)
21:02 <@jever> nice as a flower in may ;-)
21:02 < [stragaman]> does the meeting over ??
21:02 <@C14r> (if xoswald closeit)
21:02 -!- xoswald changed the topic of #CipUX to: Next cipux meeting, 18/06/2007 at 20:00 CET
21:03 <@xoswald> ok, then I close this meeting... !! 