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[20:29:12] * C14r = Christian Kuelker [20:29:59] <C14r> Roland has written a mail, I tries to come, but he is on the way from Frankfurt home. So this depends on the road conditions ... [20:30:38] * oskar64 = Xavier Oswald [20:32:18] <C14r> From binar and k4x there is no answer (for this meeting) ... [20:32:24] <C14r> jever? [20:32:35] <jever> jo [20:32:45] <C14r> ok [20:32:48] * jever = Jürgen Leibner [20:33:15] <C14r> Then I would like to discuss the next steps for CipUX for the next 2 month [20:33:32] <jever> ok [20:33:52] <C14r> I would like to hear your opinions about the direction, where we should go with CipUX. [20:36:12] <jever> I think that CipUX should become usable and understandable from it's concept, because it is often missunderstood in what it is and what and how it can be used [20:37:06] <C14r> I wait till you say "EOC" ;-) [20:37:13] <oskar64> I think we should choose a version to make it stable and debug a lot so we will ba able to say this version is stable and whithout bug [20:37:58] <jever> that's also my thinking too [20:38:03] <C14r> oskar64: ok, this will leed to a feature freeze. [20:38:07] <jever> EOC [20:38:09] <C14r> (I agree) [20:38:47] <C14r> jever: usable, understandable ok [20:40:20] <C14r> So my suggestion to archive the goal is: that we do not finish the Skolelinux parts for the moment, like missing slbackup feature in CipUX, to save some time. Could that be a way? [20:41:18] <oskar64> and I have to make the preseedable things !! [20:41:24] <jever> ok [20:41:56] <C14r> oskar64: yes if we have that version, I guess? [20:42:07] <C14r> please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ToDo [20:42:43] <C14r> and tell me for the open Todo points which are marked for 3.4, the once which are not so important [20:42:43] <oskar64> yep [20:47:16] <C14r> so? [20:49:02] <jever> let us mark them on wikipake? [20:49:20] <C14r> remove 3.4 I think will do it [20:49:21] <jever> s/wikipake/wikipage/ [20:49:38] <oskar64> Yes, I will take a look after the meeting and add it to the page made by jever [20:49:57] <C14r> Next version will be 3.4 or 3.4.0 ? [20:50:11] <C14r> oskar64: shouldn't we discuss that? [20:50:12] <oskar64> 3.4.0 [20:50:36] <C14r> ok, then jever you can mark this from "3.4" to "3.4.2" [20:50:42] <oskar64> C14r: we will take time to make it good,and we can start a thread on the list about that [20:50:50] <C14r> oskar64: ok [20:51:07] <C14r> Good Idea! [20:51:09] <jever> ack [20:52:40] <C14r> For jever and othes how would like to know what CipUX is, jever can write a Page what CipUX can (will do in 3.2.0) and what not? [20:53:07] <C14r> well we will all write the page after Mail discussion? [20:54:35] <oskar64> yep good [20:54:42] <C14r> jever: ? [20:54:44] <jever> C14r: I don't know what CipUX can do exactly :( [20:54:58] <C14r> It would help if you write what it can [20:55:08] <C14r> We will add the rest ;-) [20:55:34] <C14r> And if you make a mistake, we will correct it, since it is a wiki! [20:55:36] <jever> I hope I know [20:55:52] <C14r> ok [20:56:50] <C14r> oskar64: will you start the thread: 3.4.0? [20:57:22] <C14r> There is something to do with CAT. [20:57:39] <C14r> And that seems do be work I have to do, because binar is busy. [20:57:52] <C14r> oskar64: has Perl on his Todo list ;-) [20:57:54] <oskar64> C14r: I will start it just after the meeting [20:58:09] <oskar64> C14r: Im learning regular expression right now .. ;) [20:58:11] <C14r> oskar64: Ok fine, I will answer it this eveneing ... [20:58:25] <C14r> oskar64: Why starting with complicated things? [20:59:03] <oskar64> C14r: Im writting right now a new vim langage support patch, so I need regular expression, it's quite the same for perl ;) [20:59:20] <C14r> yes! [20:59:37] <C14r> Tomorrow is debian-edu meeting? [20:59:43] <oskar64> I think so [21:00:01] <C14r> oskar64: I would be very important to be there for you! [21:00:18] <C14r> I am on a RL moodle meeting tomorrow. [21:01:12] <oskar64> oh nice [21:01:41] <C14r> you know we had the Idea to make more connections beween moodle and CipUX. [21:02:24] <C14r> But this might be a toppic for 3.4.2 or later [21:03:48] <oskar64> yes, I think it would be nice.. so moodle people could be interested in cipux too [21:04:56] <C14r> yes I think so. [21:05:53] <C14r> Next toppic is that I am planning to relaunch the www.cipux.org pages. [21:06:08] <C14r> Anny comments, suggestions? [21:08:03] <jever> mmh, aren't that wikipages now? [21:08:16] <C14r> Oh yes, I ment http://www.cipux.de/ [21:08:23] <C14r> sorry [21:08:30] <C14r> The Wiki pages are ok. [21:09:03] <C14r> The server brokes the "Umlauts" :/ [21:09:13] <C14r> And this pages are not very useful. [21:09:45] <C14r> I think this pages should give the answer to jever's questions, but they do not at the moment. [21:09:55] <jever> haven't seen them before [21:12:21] <C14r> This are mostly a fast rewrite of the pages from 2002 [21:12:28] <C14r> oskar64: (sorry in German) [21:14:05] <oskar64> np [21:14:06] <C14r> jever: oskar64 what are you suggest for "jever I think that CipUX should become usable and understandable from it's concept" releate to a relaunch of such site? [21:16:30] <jever> <-- thinks that a good and informational homepage of a product is needed and such a site should do [21:19:00] <C14r> jever: yes if the content is ok ... [21:19:17] <oskar64> think so [21:19:57] <C14r> jever: This was my try to solve "your" problem, but I did not succeed, since you didn't know the page :-/ But also I think this page is outdated ... [21:20:26] <C14r> "you" problem is our problem and the problem of the user! [21:20:39] <C14r> (but you mentioned it today as the first) [21:22:02] <jever> may be I couldn't say exact enough what I mean in the past [21:22:49] <C14r> well but CipUX should become understandable ... [21:23:37] <jever> but for the most people, a flat ascii file describing cipux and a deb package which does what the flat file says would do ;-) [21:24:05] <C14r> I would ask, if it make sense to do this on a good designed page? [21:24:17] <C14r> yes for debian developers this will do. [21:25:17] <jever> The marketing of cipux was gone ahead but cipux can't follow as fast as it should [21:25:37] <C14r> well no [21:25:58] <C14r> 2.x (rpm version) did all this [21:26:09] <C14r> but 3.x has a problem with debian [21:26:27] <jever> That's what I'm talking about [21:26:30] <C14r> this delays the work for over a year. [21:28:04] <C14r> so 3.x has less feature then 3.x at the moment just because of debian policy. [21:28:34] <C14r> But anyway, if we have 3.4.0 and we tested it and it is stable, we can think about read this features or do it even better then before. [21:28:45] <C14r> read=readd [21:29:04] <jever> and debian developers are hard to find which are not gambling around and wasting time in reinventing the wheel, so it is a great luck to have someone like oskar64 [21:29:59] <C14r> In any case we are lucky to have oskar64 :) [21:31:02] <C14r> jever: do you have a next toppic? [21:31:06] <jever> but, thinking about moodle, it get's me ill :( [21:31:15] <C14r> jever: why? [21:32:05] <jever> moodle is like a peace of concrete pile at our leg [21:32:20] <oskar64> ehh thanks !! ;) [21:32:53] <C14r> should we continue this discussion as meeting or just so? [21:33:07] <C14r> oskar64: you are awake, great ;-) [21:33:18] <jever> oskar64: it's your honour, don't shame, you are right to earn it [21:34:07] <C14r> jever: moodle -v [21:35:03] <C14r> We talked 1h so I think we should close the officel part of the meeting? [21:35:16] <jever> moodle developer hasn't ever realy wanted to do something to be with cipux [21:35:19] <C14r> oskar64: jever ? [21:35:39] <C14r> jever: may be. [21:35:52] <C14r> jever: but that is not so important for the moment. [21:36:20] <jever> ok [21:37:02] <C14r> jever: can you answer my question? [21:37:29] <jever> close please [21:37:33] <C14r> oskar64: ? [21:39:44] <oskar64> C14r: We will discuss next steps in details on the list, so everybody could gice us opinions but we have the main way now .. [21:40:29] <C14r> oskar64: I think a concrete discussion about features for 3.4.0 is better. [21:40:57] <C14r> oskar64: so we clsoe the offical part of the meeting? (4th try) [21:42:48] <C14r> jever: it seems hard for hin to say "yes" ... [21:44:45] <C14r> ok we close this now, no aswer is also an answer ...