Mrz 28 20:08:15 <binar> so, please everybody introduce hisself with "nick = Realname" Mrz 28 20:08:21 * jever = Juergen Leibner Mrz 28 20:08:32 * C14r = Christian Kuelker Mrz 28 20:08:33 <binar> binar = Benedikt Wildenhain Mrz 28 20:08:47 <rft> rft=Roland Teichert Mrz 28 20:08:59 * binar hat das Thema geändert zu: 1. Topic: CAT Demoserver Mrz 28 20:09:36 <binar> what's happend about this since the last meeting? Mrz 28 20:10:56 <jever> ok, there is a demo server now available Mrz 28 20:10:59 <binar> k4x = Kurt Gramlich (via audio relay by me) Mrz 28 20:11:19 <rft> demoserver is working Mrz 28 20:11:35 <C14r> Nice :) Mrz 28 20:11:43 <binar> indeed :-) Mrz 28 20:11:59 <rft> and I can write the catwalk Mrz 28 20:12:01 <jever> the demoserver is on build 872 Mrz 28 20:12:58 <binar> is it automatically updated? Mrz 28 20:13:11 <jever> it's a real maschine and is running debian-edu etch on last upgrade Mrz 28 20:13:22 <C14r> interesting question! Mrz 28 20:13:27 <jever> it is maintained manual Mrz 28 20:13:33 <jever> by me Mrz 28 20:13:52 <jever> it also runs lwat Mrz 28 20:13:58 * C14r thinks the answer is "yes" Mrz 28 20:14:24 <jever> because it comes with debian-edu automaticaly Mrz 28 20:15:07 <jever> but it is unused by me Mrz 28 20:15:20 <C14r> by mee too! ;-) Mrz 28 20:15:46 <jever> but it gives a hint that they can coexist Mrz 28 20:16:31 <C14r> So should we make this demo server public? Mrz 28 20:18:01 <jever> I think not, because it is not an automatic system an it is @home and there is only an upload by dsl of 256kB Mrz 28 20:19:31 <C14r> aha, what can we do make it public? (1) the automatic system thing ...? Mrz 28 20:19:39 <binar> sorry, my network connection was broken Mrz 28 20:19:41 <jever> I think it should be only for documentation team Mrz 28 20:20:38 <C14r> yes I under stand that this specific system is for documention team. Mrz 28 20:20:57 <C14r> But would it be not a good idea to have a public demo server? Mrz 28 20:21:14 <jever> if someone makes a demoserver available in internet and it is an automatic system, then it can be published, I think Mrz 28 20:21:52 <C14r> Could the Testcenter in GT help us? Mrz 28 20:22:07 <C14r> oskar64: how about you? Mrz 28 20:22:46 <binar> k4x says, that in principle he could offer a machine Mrz 28 20:23:01 <C14r> ok, nice! Mrz 28 20:23:33 <C14r> jever, would you lead a team (with me for example) to make this dream true? Mrz 28 20:24:35 <jever> yes, but the startpoint can only be in the middle of next week because of overload at work Mrz 28 20:25:30 <C14r> jever: ok, good that we do it! Mrz 28 20:25:36 <C14r> who wants to join? Mrz 28 20:25:57 <C14r> (but 2 are also ok) Mrz 28 20:25:59 <binar> k4x Mrz 28 20:26:04 <binar> wants to join Mrz 28 20:26:19 <C14r> ok, then jever, k4x, and C14r Mrz 28 20:26:19 * jever wants that k4x joins Mrz 28 20:26:27 <C14r> :) Mrz 28 20:26:48 <binar> next topic? Mrz 28 20:26:53 <jever> ok, then we are enough Mrz 28 20:27:13 <jever> binar: ack Mrz 28 20:27:52 <C14r> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Demoserver Mrz 28 20:28:04 <C14r> binar: ok, next (i added one ;-) ) Mrz 28 20:28:21 * binar hat das Thema geändert zu: 2. Topic: locale system (i18n/i10n): translations Mrz 28 20:28:38 <C14r> ok, I can tell something. Mrz 28 20:29:05 <C14r> I change noumerous files the exchange the Template system of CAT Mrz 28 20:29:21 <C14r> Now it is possible to exctract the strings from the templates Mrz 28 20:29:35 <C14r> when this strings are extracted we can translate them Mrz 28 20:29:53 <C14r> (po files, with kbabel, or poedit, or whatever) Mrz 28 20:30:24 <C14r> The po system Makefiles are not finshed jet, but the will thes evening or tomorrow Mrz 28 20:30:47 <C14r> We should take the "default" theme as a starting point Mrz 28 20:31:33 <binar> what has to be done? do we have translators? Mrz 28 20:31:36 <C14r> Please korrect the English on the default theme, so that we have nice message id strings! Mrz 28 20:32:09 <C14r> binar: yes we have translators. me for German ;-) and Kaplan for hebrew, and may by xavier for french ;-) Mrz 28 20:32:21 <C14r> kaplan agreed Mrz 28 20:32:41 <C14r> But I would like to make a test with german first Mrz 28 20:33:13 <C14r> To do that, it is VERY important that there are no Language errors on the english theme Mrz 28 20:33:19 <binar> agreed Mrz 28 20:33:23 <C14r> rft: can you report errors? Mrz 28 20:33:31 <C14r> (if you found one) Mrz 28 20:33:50 <rft> yes:) Mrz 28 20:33:58 <C14r> if possible, also a native should look at that! Mrz 28 20:34:04 <C14r> do someone know one? Mrz 28 20:35:15 <jever> no Mrz 28 20:35:21 <C14r> The translation is about 170 strings Mrz 28 20:35:32 <C14r> mostly words Mrz 28 20:35:45 <binar> k4x knows a native speaker, who could do that Mrz 28 20:35:45 <C14r> k4x: ? Mrz 28 20:35:52 <C14r> oh, nice Mrz 28 20:36:10 <k4x> re Mrz 28 20:36:17 <jever> that's not much, so I can ask our chief secratry at work Mrz 28 20:36:23 <C14r> binar can you print that out, or mail that, or do whatevery is nessesary? or k4x can ou? Mrz 28 20:37:01 <C14r> jever. ok, but is computer english ;-) Mrz 28 20:37:17 <jever> no problem for her Mrz 28 20:37:34 <binar> C14r: is there a simple list, which you can use for that? Mrz 28 20:37:43 <C14r> biner? Mrz 28 20:37:47 <C14r> binar: ? Mrz 28 20:37:49 <jever> she lives in toronto ;-) Mrz 28 20:38:13 <binar> C14r: a list of the to be translated strings Mrz 28 20:38:23 <k4x> who will ask our english helper? Mrz 28 20:38:28 <C14r> oh yes, that is what i am working on Mrz 28 20:38:35 <C14r> k4x: me? Mrz 28 20:38:41 <binar> btw. whe have to decide whether we use british or american english Mrz 28 20:38:50 <k4x> ok, you get email with adress Mrz 28 20:39:15 <C14r> k4x: in that case: you! Mrz 28 20:39:43 <C14r> binar: why? Mrz 28 20:40:06 <C14r> binar: lets see who correct that Mrz 28 20:40:25 <binar> because what is correct in british englisch can be wrong in american and vis-versa Mrz 28 20:40:34 <C14r> binar: yes Mrz 28 20:40:39 <k4x> C14r: you have mail ;-) Mrz 28 20:41:15 <C14r> binar: But I can not decide to use british english if the one who corrects is american. Mrz 28 20:41:30 <C14r> binar: or should we? Mrz 28 20:41:42 <k4x> C14r: Stephan will do it, he knows it Mrz 28 20:41:57 <C14r> Joerris? Mrz 28 20:42:05 <k4x> C14r: EMAIL! Mrz 28 20:42:08 <C14r> ok Mrz 28 20:42:54 <C14r> ok now we have to opportunities to correct Mrz 28 20:42:59 <C14r> to=two Mrz 28 20:43:31 <C14r> which one should we ask first? Mrz 28 20:43:40 <k4x> StStephan has corrected a lot of debian-edu pages in debin wiki Mrz 28 20:44:08 <C14r> k4x: yes. And the problem is that CAT is not a online page Mrz 28 20:44:33 <C14r> but jever if you agree we can offer him or her the demo server? Mrz 28 20:44:50 <k4x> then send him the page, ask and take tahat one who answers first Mrz 28 20:45:02 <jever> it is documentation, so you can do that Mrz 28 20:45:13 <C14r> ok Mrz 28 20:45:32 <C14r> but there are error messages, which are not easy to produce! Mrz 28 20:45:54 <C14r> if will send the first draft of strings to the list, is that ok? Mrz 28 20:46:45 <binar> yes Mrz 28 20:46:49 <C14r> ok Mrz 28 20:47:00 <C14r> then we discuss that on the list? Mrz 28 20:47:15 <jever> ack Mrz 28 20:47:28 <C14r> ok, send today at 23:00 Mrz 28 20:47:46 <binar> ok, next topic? Mrz 28 20:47:51 <C14r> do someone else know translators? Mrz 28 20:47:55 <jever> yes, please Mrz 28 20:48:05 <C14r> well ok Mrz 28 20:48:18 <jever> only expensive professionals ;-) Mrz 28 20:48:21 <binar> I could ask one for slovakian, but I am not sure, how reliable he is Mrz 28 20:48:37 <C14r> binar: asking is not to much. Mrz 28 20:49:02 <C14r> next? Mrz 28 20:49:13 * binar hat das Thema geändert zu: 3. Topic: cipux-commits Mrz 28 20:49:48 <binar> C14r: what do you mean with that? Mrz 28 20:49:54 <C14r> Happy to announce that we have commit list: cipux-commits@cipux.org Mrz 28 20:50:02 <binar> ah, nice Mrz 28 20:50:07 <C14r> the svn commit logs are send to that list Mrz 28 20:50:24 <C14r> and if jever agrees also the build logs ? Mrz 28 20:50:25 <jever> my question is, if I can purge the mailrecipients in build logs and only send to commits-list? Mrz 28 20:50:40 <C14r> jes that I was suggesting Mrz 28 20:50:59 <C14r> jever: is that ok for you? Mrz 28 20:50:59 <jever> then say it and suggust not so much ;-9 Mrz 28 20:51:11 <C14r> :) Mrz 28 20:51:28 <jever> btw. it is done already Mrz 28 20:51:35 <C14r> (I wrote a e-mail to you no answer) Mrz 28 20:51:36 <C14r> ok Mrz 28 20:51:46 <binar> ok, any other topics? Mrz 28 20:51:59 <C14r> so everybody who whats to know , can sing up: Mrz 28 20:52:13 <binar> C14r: you do not want to hear my sing Mrz 28 20:52:37 <C14r> sign! :) Mrz 28 20:53:23 <C14r> no toppic left I think, but I would like to know how we can help rft? Mrz 28 20:53:46 <rft> ok Mrz 28 20:54:03 <rft> 3 questions :-) Mrz 28 20:54:04 <C14r> http://sympa.cipworx.org/wws/subscribe/cipux-commits Mrz 28 20:56:00 <C14r> yes and? Mrz 28 20:56:21 <C14r> (new or old ones) Mrz 28 20:56:21 <k4x> rft: go on! Mrz 28 20:56:31 <rft> modul tutoradmin: list member doesn't work Mrz 28 20:57:10 <rft> it doesn't show any member Mrz 28 20:57:26 <C14r> do the group have members? Mrz 28 20:57:54 <rft> yes, i've create them Mrz 28 20:58:16 <rft> there is one member in the group Mrz 28 20:58:16 <C14r> ok (list member doesn't work any more) Mrz 28 20:59:05 <binar> rft: next question Mrz 28 20:59:07 <C14r> rft, can you add that Todo point to: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ToDo Mrz 28 20:59:21 <rft> ok Mrz 28 20:59:25 <rft> next? Mrz 28 20:59:32 <C14r> rft, if that is the case we must fix that. Mrz 28 20:59:43 <C14r> rft, yes we beleve you ;-) Mrz 28 21:00:28 <rft> you can login and look if I made a mistake Mrz 28 21:01:24 <jever> rft: if you can make a mistake there, it isn't ok by the system to let you make it ;-) Mrz 28 21:01:28 <rft> I have no idea what you mean with the green point that change the colour to red - named Linux - in modul useradmin Mrz 28 21:01:49 <C14r> oh good question! Mrz 28 21:02:28 <binar> rft: green point -> you can login via a terminalserver or workstation, green point -> you cannot Mrz 28 21:02:37 <binar> inversed! Mrz 28 21:02:42 <binar> no Mrz 28 21:02:45 <C14r> hehe! Mrz 28 21:02:46 <binar> rft: green point -> you can login via a terminalserver or workstation, red point -> you cannot Mrz 28 21:03:27 * C14r likes green and red points Mrz 28 21:04:01 <rft> ok, I think I understood Mrz 28 21:04:12 <jever> what means: "login" here Mrz 28 21:04:40 <rft> I think login from a client? Mrz 28 21:04:58 <C14r> rft: if you have sugesstion to make that better, tell us! (this questions are VERY important, the should be answerde in CatWalk) Mrz 28 21:04:58 <binar> rft: yes Mrz 28 21:04:59 <jever> or per shell? Mrz 28 21:05:22 <C14r> jever is there a login possible without shell? Mrz 28 21:05:22 <binar> jever: should also work as well as su or other means Mrz 28 21:05:35 <C14r> yes or ssh Mrz 28 21:06:27 <C14r> So if a student has a red accoutn he can go home Mrz 28 21:06:53 <binar> C14r: or use windows machines (via samba), can't he? Mrz 28 21:07:06 <C14r> no he can use that Mrz 28 21:07:15 <C14r> ups, sorry Mrz 28 21:07:17 <jever> if I click a green point, it's a link, there happens nothing Mrz 28 21:07:19 <C14r> yes he can use that Mrz 28 21:07:50 <C14r> jever: yes for me in my test machine too. But rft says it does do something. Mrz 28 21:08:18 <jever> shouldn't it switch to red? Mrz 28 21:08:18 <rft> when I click it becomes red or green Mrz 28 21:08:34 <C14r> rft: yes that should happen! perfectly! Mrz 28 21:09:15 <C14r> jever may be you dont use the right power to click! ;-) Mrz 28 21:09:22 <binar> jever: ok, the problem on your system can be checked later Mrz 28 21:09:22 <jever> here it doesn't :-) Mrz 28 21:09:31 <C14r> binar: ok Mrz 28 21:09:33 <binar> rft: 3rd question? Mrz 28 21:09:33 <jever> as cipadmin Mrz 28 21:09:52 <rft> will the tutor has the right to click on it or only the admin? Mrz 28 21:10:30 <C14r> if the role "tutor" is assigned to the CAT module "useradmin" he can use very function in "unseradmin" Mrz 28 21:10:52 <binar> C14r: very=every Mrz 28 21:10:53 <rft> ok, but in the moment I can't test it Mrz 28 21:11:02 <rft> ok, 3 rd Mrz 28 21:11:02 <C14r> yes, right Mrz 28 21:11:17 <rft> in create new student Mrz 28 21:11:28 <rft> template directory Mrz 28 21:11:54 <rft> I have a popup with a lot of different possibilities Mrz 28 21:12:07 <rft> I don't understand the idea behind this Mrz 28 21:13:08 * jever doesn't understand that too Mrz 28 21:14:24 <binar> I think these are customizable kind of customizable /etc/skel-dirs, which you can choose from Mrz 28 21:15:09 <binar> C14r: correct? Mrz 28 21:15:12 <C14r> "template directory" = Vorlage Verzeichnis Mrz 28 21:15:27 <C14r> binar: yes, but do rft understand this? Mrz 28 21:15:37 <binar> C14r: don't know Mrz 28 21:15:46 <C14r> rft: do you? Mrz 28 21:15:49 <rft> the same says my oxford dictionnary Mrz 28 21:16:14 * C14r thinks that I am an Oxford Dictionary Mrz 28 21:16:43 <binar> rft: there are usually certain files you want to have in your just created home-directories, which these templates you can specify which ones Mrz 28 21:16:43 <rft> what is the relation between examination, tutor, teacher,skel, course, noskel... Mrz 28 21:17:16 <C14r> rft: (next good question!) Mrz 28 21:18:10 <rft> when i create a new student I have to give him one of these templates Mrz 28 21:18:26 <C14r> binar you are right (of course) Mrz 28 21:18:47 * binar hat das Thema geändert zu: 4. Topic: misc Mrz 28 21:18:56 <binar> (I know, a "little" late topic change) Mrz 28 21:19:31 <jever> why couldn't I do this with other too create new ...? Mrz 28 21:19:59 <rft> right, only the new student Mrz 28 21:21:51 <jever> wouldn't it be eaiser to only have one form to fill with data? Mrz 28 21:22:14 <jever> s/eaiser/easier/ Mrz 28 21:22:37 <C14r> yes may be Mrz 28 21:23:15 <C14r> binar: you know "the relation between examination, tutor, teacher,skel, course, noskel..."? Mrz 28 21:23:36 <jever> I found it confusing, so it should be made better[tm] Mrz 28 21:24:20 <C14r> binar is this al clear to you? Mrz 28 21:24:21 <binar> C14r: about teacher (differences from tutor) and course (are there group home dirs?) I am unsure Mrz 28 21:24:31 <C14r> ok Mrz 28 21:25:24 <C14r> the commom thing about this object, is they are "skels" Mrz 28 21:25:32 <C14r> a "skel" is a directory Mrz 28 21:25:34 <oskar64> C14r: yes, I can do the french translation ! Mrz 28 21:25:44 <C14r> oskar64: nice! :) Mrz 28 21:26:10 <C14r> the skel directory is used to copy data in a just created user directory Mrz 28 21:26:19 <C14r> the policy under CipUX is that: Mrz 28 21:26:31 <C14r> ever user become the skel of his role Mrz 28 21:26:42 <oskar64> C14r: maybe, (it's just an idea) but you can send a mail on the list with listed file that need translation Mrz 28 21:27:14 <jever> oskar64: he said so above Mrz 28 21:27:19 <oskar64> oh Mrz 28 21:27:23 <C14r> that means every student becomes the data of the directory "students", when the user is created Mrz 28 21:27:25 <oskar64> ok, I just come home :) Mrz 28 21:27:34 <jever> :) Mrz 28 21:28:08 <C14r> this happen to very user, regardless if it is a teacher or a student, ... Mrz 28 21:28:59 <C14r> the choice list is also called "2nd Forbach Skel" Mrz 28 21:29:01 <rft> ok, that means, I can create a new user under the topic "create new studen" Mrz 28 21:29:04 <C14r> oskar64: tell us why! Mrz 28 21:29:22 <rft> and give him his tasks Mrz 28 21:29:29 <rft> and rights Mrz 28 21:29:36 <C14r> rft: no Mrz 28 21:29:46 <oskar64> C14r: why what ? Mrz 28 21:29:50 <C14r> rft: it is just about data Mrz 28 21:30:01 <C14r> oskar64: explain the "2nd Forbach Skel" Mrz 28 21:30:11 <oskar64> ohh Mrz 28 21:30:12 <C14r> (it is a French solution" ;-) Mrz 28 21:30:13 <rft> what is the different between creating a new student and a new teacher? Mrz 28 21:30:26 <C14r> rft (one moment) Mrz 28 21:30:26 <rft> or a new guest? Mrz 28 21:30:32 <oskar64> the french skel has a preconfigured desktop Mrz 28 21:30:39 <rft> o Mrz 28 21:30:41 <rft> ok Mrz 28 21:31:07 <C14r> oskar64: and, what is the difference between 1st and 2nd skel? Mrz 28 21:31:22 <oskar64> uhh, I cannot remember.. Mrz 28 21:31:26 <oskar64> lol Mrz 28 21:31:28 <C14r> hehe Mrz 28 21:31:46 <C14r> Answer: the 1st skel is kopied first, the 2nd skel afterwards! :) Mrz 28 21:31:55 <oskar64> oh yes Mrz 28 21:31:57 <C14r> rft I give you an example Mrz 28 21:32:07 <rft> please Mrz 28 21:32:27 <C14r> If you have an inportand file, lets say "README.new_student" Mrz 28 21:32:52 <C14r> And you wnat to be sure that every new studen will have this file when he joins the school Mrz 28 21:33:26 <C14r> then you copy this file in the direcory "students" and every new created student will become a copy. Mrz 28 21:33:38 <rft> ok Mrz 28 21:33:46 <C14r> you can do that also whith teachers, but then you must use the directory "teachers" Mrz 28 21:34:03 <C14r> This happend anyway! Mrz 28 21:34:31 <C14r> if you choose a object from the drop down list, that this is a second copy folder. Mrz 28 21:34:49 <C14r> Example: Mrz 28 21:34:49 <rft> when I creat a new student, I can give him different one of a lot different templates Mrz 28 21:35:03 <C14r> no not a different, a second Mrz 28 21:35:22 <rft> s the teacher has only one Mrz 28 21:35:37 <rft> he can't get a second Mrz 28 21:35:38 <C14r> a student will have the role student and the template dir students Mrz 28 21:35:46 <C14r> rft yes a teacher has only one Mrz 28 21:36:05 <C14r> so why a second? Mrz 28 21:36:26 <rft> when I creat a teacher I have no choice Mrz 28 21:36:31 <C14r> if you have a department for students lets say biology and chemistry Mrz 28 21:36:44 <C14r> you can create that skel with skeladmin Mrz 28 21:37:06 <jever> mmmh, that's a little bit confusing and is not thought to end, I think, it should be more cleared by a schema Mrz 28 21:37:17 <rft> and I will find this skel on the drop down list? Mrz 28 21:37:26 <C14r> and then you have the choise to copy also README.chemistry for a new student of chemestry, of course he will also get README.new_student, becuse his role is student Mrz 28 21:37:45 <C14r> rftm yes youwill found that, if not: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ToDo Mrz 28 21:38:13 <rft> so, this skels are only preconfigured ones Mrz 28 21:38:20 <C14r> yes Mrz 28 21:38:33 <C14r> because basically every role has its skel Mrz 28 21:38:39 <rft> and normally we will find there our specific points Mrz 28 21:38:46 <C14r> and if you do not want to copy you use noskel Mrz 28 21:38:57 <C14r> rft: yes Mrz 28 21:39:08 <C14r> oskar64: jever binar: next time you can explain that? Mrz 28 21:39:09 <rft> ok... Mrz 28 21:39:29 <rft> I think it becomes clear Mrz 28 21:39:48 <rft> when the whole is working we can try out it better Mrz 28 21:39:49 <C14r> rft: thanks, but do ask if the explanation is to techincal Mrz 28 21:40:03 <oskar64> :) Mrz 28 21:40:06 <C14r> rft yes certainly Mrz 28 21:40:22 <rft> I will write an explanation I you can say if it is correct Mrz 28 21:40:44 <rft> no problem for me to do it in this way Mrz 28 21:40:49 <C14r> ok no problem Mrz 28 21:41:04 <rft> ok, then I'm ready for now Mrz 28 21:41:11 <C14r> jever will paste the log, so you can read that in the Wiki Mrz 28 21:41:16 <C14r> oskar64: you hat you free day today, how was the upload (the todo list did not inrease) Mrz 28 21:41:24 <C14r> hat=had Mrz 28 21:42:00 <C14r> binar: when is the meeting over? Mrz 28 21:42:03 <jever> binar: please end up with meeting here Mrz 28 21:42:03 <binar> ok, then I'll close the meeting Mrz 28 21:42:11 <binar> no Mrz 28 21:42:13 <jever> :) Mrz 28 21:42:15 <C14r> :D Mrz 28 21:42:17 <binar> when will be next one? Mrz 28 21:42:29 <C14r> oskar64: when? Mrz 28 21:43:14 <binar> I will not be available wednesdays during the next months Mrz 28 21:43:25 <oskar64> wednesday is hard for me too Mrz 28 21:43:25 <C14r> binar: ok, when do you have time? Mrz 28 21:44:04 <oskar64> thursday is good for me or monday Mrz 28 21:44:18 <binar> monday is probably better for me Mrz 28 21:44:32 <jever> monday isok for me Mrz 28 21:44:37 <C14r> binar: for me is ok, rft? Mrz 28 21:44:40 <rft> for me too Mrz 28 21:45:42 <C14r> binar: so how do you decide? Mrz 28 21:45:48 <binar> so next meeting on 9. of april? Mrz 28 21:46:07 <rft> for me it's ok Mrz 28 21:46:20 <C14r> for me too. Mrz 28 21:46:35 <C14r> k4x: ? Mrz 28 21:46:45 * binar hat das Thema geändert zu: Next CipUX-Meeting 2007-04-09 20:00 CET Mrz 28 21:47:00 <binar> C14r: it's ok for him Mrz 28 21:47:16 <binar> meeting closed
