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CipUX/Meeting/20070316/log

Mär 16 20:07:11 *       k4x hat das Thema geändert zu: Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress
Mär 16 20:07:16 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:07:32 <k4x>   first topic: Start of CAT Guide Documentation (?CatWalk)
Mär 16 20:07:52 <k4x>   who reports?
Mär 16 20:07:58 <C14r>  Roland should be present
Mär 16 20:08:03 <C14r>  jever?
Mär 16 20:08:18 <jever> yes
Mär 16 20:08:20 *       k4x hat das Thema geändert zu: Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress 1. Start of CAT Guide Documentation (?CatWalk)
Mär 16 20:08:34 <C14r>  Or should I say somting about the idea?
Mär 16 20:08:40 <jever> please
Mär 16 20:08:56 <C14r>  The idea is to start with a small doc
Mär 16 20:09:19 <C14r>  only important CAT modules should be mentioned
Mär 16 20:09:21 <k4x>   ok, everybody can read this at ...
Mär 16 20:09:30 <C14r>  one page one module
Mär 16 20:09:48 <k4x>   C14r: please give the URL here
Mär 16 20:09:49 <C14r>  So we sould start with the Title "CatWalk"
Mär 16 20:09:58 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:10:00 <C14r>  doc.cipux.org
Mär 16 20:10:04 <k4x>   tnx
Mär 16 20:10:18 <k4x>   are there any questions about?
Mär 16 20:10:30 <C14r>  The question is who should start with the englisch version?
Mär 16 20:10:51 <C14r>  and how is the information provided?
Mär 16 20:10:57 <C14r>  Demoserver screenshots
Mär 16 20:11:02 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:11:16 <C14r>  The one who starts should start with groupadmin
Mär 16 20:11:31 <C14r>  not with useradmin, because not every feature is implemented
Mär 16 20:11:56 <C14r>  But all Features marked with a "-" on the CAT wiki page should be implemented
Mär 16 20:12:05 <k4x>   good point, please give the order of the most important modules here now
Mär 16 20:12:47 <k4x>   we could ask on the mailing lists for translation helper
Mär 16 20:12:50 <C14r>  most important is useradmin, but not for starting documentation
Mär 16 20:13:10 <C14r>  so: groupadmin, tutoradmin, roleadmin, skeladmin, import
Mär 16 20:13:27 <C14r>  (from my point), binar, jever  what do you thing
Mär 16 20:13:35 <C14r>  thnig=think
Mär 16 20:13:43 <k4x>   and useradmin ;-)
Mär 16 20:13:49 <C14r>  yes
Mär 16 20:13:54 <jever> why are you not writing a page in CMS where everyone can read what to do?
Mär 16 20:13:59 <C14r>  forgott userselfadmin
Mär 16 20:14:11 <k4x>   binar is still on the way
Mär 16 20:14:23 <C14r>  jever: good point
Mär 16 20:14:39 <jever> everyone can comment at that page
Mär 16 20:14:39 <C14r>  (but that is what we deciding today ;-)
Mär 16 20:14:42 <k4x>   most of them we have in german?
Mär 16 20:14:49 <C14r>  ?
Mär 16 20:14:59 <k4x>   old handbook?
Mär 16 20:15:09 <C14r>  old handbook is 100% German
Mär 16 20:15:51 <k4x>   ok, so we need someone to correct german english ;-)
Mär 16 20:16:07 <C14r>  yes
Mär 16 20:16:08 <jever> doesn't matter which language to start
Mär 16 20:16:25 <C14r>  no, but we should start whith only one
Mär 16 20:16:37 <C14r>  jever: would you like to cunt&paste?
Mär 16 20:16:42 <C14r>  cunt=cut
Mär 16 20:17:21 <k4x>   i can ask someone who likes to correct english drafts for us
Mär 16 20:17:28 <jever> give me a URL as I asked you more than once before where to get old Material
Mär 16 20:17:45 <C14r>  ok, I will search, but it is latex
Mär 16 20:18:19 <jever> doesn't matter
Mär 16 20:18:35 <C14r>  pdf2ps ps2ascii is also a solution
Mär 16 20:18:52 <k4x>   ok, so jever you start with one page, i will look for thi canadian guy how like to help us with languages stuff
Mär 16 20:19:05 <C14r>  good
Mär 16 20:19:24 <k4x>   AFAIK roland is also able to translate to english
Mär 16 20:19:41 <C14r>  think so
Mär 16 20:19:58 <jever> by the way, we have got a new user, from Pakistan, in CMS ;-)
Mär 16 20:19:59 <k4x>   ok, any more questions to this point?
Mär 16 20:20:16 <C14r>  no
Mär 16 20:20:41 *       k4x hat das Thema geändert zu: Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress 3. CAT Artworks
Mär 16 20:20:56 <k4x>   who is able to report
Mär 16 20:20:57 <k4x>   ?
Mär 16 20:21:16 <C14r>  well I would like to invite sebastian, but he is not here at the moment
Mär 16 20:21:31 <C14r>  the idea is to make a second template
Mär 16 20:21:40 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:21:40 <C14r>  also groupadmin is the startpoint+
Mär 16 20:21:51 <k4x>   in CSS ?
Mär 16 20:21:52 <C14r>  some eye candy
Mär 16 20:22:02 <C14r>  in HTML and in CSS
Mär 16 20:22:08 <C14r>  an in Gimp hopefully
Mär 16 20:22:15 <k4x>   ok, i willask a austian woman who likes to help us
Mär 16 20:22:18 <C14r>  but can do Css
Mär 16 20:22:33 <C14r>  Nice
Mär 16 20:22:38 <k4x>   s/austian/austrian/
Mär 16 20:23:12 <k4x>   she should conect to whom?
Mär 16 20:23:29 <C14r>  me or binar
Mär 16 20:23:32 <k4x>   for the demo server?
Mär 16 20:23:41 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:23:56 <C14r>  me or binar know the template sytem
Mär 16 20:24:00 <k4x>   more questions about Artworks?
Mär 16 20:24:31 <C14r>  i wrote sebastian a mail, yesterday, no responce till now
Mär 16 20:24:39 *       k4x hat das Thema geändert zu:  Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress 4. CAT Demoserver
Mär 16 20:24:58 <C14r>  ok, first question is: do we really need one now?
Mär 16 20:25:04 <k4x>   jever: what about the demo server, could you please report status?
Mär 16 20:25:22 <jever> status: there is none!
Mär 16 20:25:27 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:25:28 <C14r>  yes
Mär 16 20:25:56 <C14r>  I was inverstigating a virtual server from strato, but that will not do job
Mär 16 20:26:02 <k4x>   i would propose to go one with cipux and to produce a SkoleLiveCd with it
Mär 16 20:26:31 <C14r>  is CipUX not on the live CD?
Mär 16 20:26:49 <k4x>   so hurry up with cipux and dokumentation
Mär 16 20:27:00 <k4x>   old version
Mär 16 20:27:15 <C14r>  what has do be done tu upgrade that?
Mär 16 20:27:40 <C14r>  (The demo server is for the once who make the doku)
Mär 16 20:27:42 <k4x>   BuildServer is still not ready in all functions
Mär 16 20:27:57 <C14r>  how long will this be taking?
Mär 16 20:28:05 <k4x>   why not use a qemu image?
Mär 16 20:28:35 <C14r>  yes, but there is one problem
Mär 16 20:28:39 <k4x>   ?
Mär 16 20:28:49 <jever> yes, think qemu will do
Mär 16 20:28:57 <C14r>  If it is for the doc team, ther version should be updated every day
Mär 16 20:29:11 <C14r>  can we do that with qemu image?
Mär 16 20:29:44 <k4x>   perhaps ... had to think about
Mär 16 20:29:57 <C14r>  jever: what do you think?
Mär 16 20:30:07 <jever> s.o.
Mär 16 20:30:33 <k4x>   take the daily build, install tjener, install cipux and run the cipux scripts?
Mär 16 20:30:50 <jever> no
Mär 16 20:31:11 <k4x>   ?
Mär 16 20:31:20 <C14r>  seems to me handwork
Mär 16 20:31:31 <jever> verify if daily build etch does isn't cipux work
Mär 16 20:32:00 <k4x>   right
Mär 16 20:32:05 <jever> we have to use something like test03 ..04 ..
Mär 16 20:32:20 <C14r>  pr01 pr02
Mär 16 20:32:41 <jever> it is actually test02 
Mär 16 20:32:55 <jever> pr02 isn't known
Mär 16 20:32:56 <C14r>  so we use a master qemu image with tjener and make an install of cipux daily?
Mär 16 20:33:02 <jever> yes
Mär 16 20:33:27 <C14r>  jever: can this be done with scripts?
Mär 16 20:33:38 <jever> yes
Mär 16 20:33:47 <k4x>   ok, i can offer the tjener qemu to download from skolelinux
Mär 16 20:34:02 <jever> please
Mär 16 20:34:04 <C14r>  ok, I can offer my desktop PC to build
Mär 16 20:34:06 <k4x>   240 MB bzip2 file
Mär 16 20:34:25 <C14r>  ok can this be build on the server?
Mär 16 20:34:27 <jever> no problem
Mär 16 20:34:38 <C14r>  qemu do not need X
Mär 16 20:35:01 <k4x>   http://www.skolelinux.de/download/etch-tjener.img.bz2
Mär 16 20:35:11 <C14r>  su just copy master to pr01 and ssh "install cipux"
Mär 16 20:35:15 <C14r>  su=so
Mär 16 20:35:40 <C14r>  do that work?
Mär 16 20:35:47 <k4x>   ?
Mär 16 20:35:54 <C14r>  ok for Kurt:
Mär 16 20:36:50 <k4x>   ?
Mär 16 20:36:57 <C14r>  cp master_test02.qemu.img pr01.img; scp cipux_packages pr01.host; ssh "aptitude install ..."
Mär 16 20:37:18 <C14r>  (forgaot to start pr01.img)
Mär 16 20:37:44 <C14r>  jever: do you understand?
Mär 16 20:38:16 <jever> yes, but you forgot to mount loop and chroot?
Mär 16 20:38:37 <C14r>  no I execute ssh commands on the running host
Mär 16 20:38:53 <C14r>  since you can not mount a qemu image
Mär 16 20:39:22 <C14r>  (if you do it as a normal user on the server)
Mär 16 20:39:28 <jever> anyhow, technical detail wich will only be done later, continue meeting
Mär 16 20:39:43 <C14r>  where is by the way developer.skolelinux.de ?
Mär 16 20:39:45 <C14r>  ok
Mär 16 20:39:51 <k4x>   C14r: bunzip etch-tjener.img.bz2, qemu -hda etch-tjener.img , login root password pw, vi /etc/source/list -> cipux sources, aptitude update, aptitude install cipux 
Mär 16 20:39:59 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:40:11 <C14r>  s/login/ssh/
Mär 16 20:40:13 <C14r>  ok
Mär 16 20:40:26 <k4x>   ok, lets resumee
Mär 16 20:40:47 <k4x>   we try to get a solution with qemu
Mär 16 20:40:54 <C14r>  yes
Mär 16 20:41:09 <k4x>   and as soon it is possible, a new SkoleLiveCipUx
Mär 16 20:41:25 <jever> yes
Mär 16 20:41:28 <k4x>   any comments on this?
Mär 16 20:41:33 <C14r>  good
Mär 16 20:42:10 <jever> who will do that?
Mär 16 20:42:28 *       k4x hat das Thema geändert zu: Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress 5. Imaging
Mär 16 20:42:59 <k4x>   jever: i will continue with qemu test this weekend
Mär 16 20:43:23 <C14r>  Robert put that on the agenda, but he is not here
Mär 16 20:43:39 <jever> ok, k4x 
Mär 16 20:43:48 <C14r>  This is basically a feature
Mär 16 20:44:09 <C14r>  suggest to do that on the next meeting when he is there
Mär 16 20:44:13 <jever> ?
Mär 16 20:44:29 <k4x>   Imaging, who likes to report
Mär 16 20:44:53 <C14r>  Robert?
Mär 16 20:45:19 <jever> what is ment with imaging?
Mär 16 20:45:23 <k4x>   What is the idea behind? windows images? workstation images?
Mär 16 20:45:26 <C14r>  deploy
Mär 16 20:45:35 <C14r>  yes I think so
Mär 16 20:45:40 <jever> ah
Mär 16 20:45:51 <k4x>   who is at the moment working on this?
Mär 16 20:45:59 <k4x>   martin?
Mär 16 20:46:10 <C14r>  Robert
Mär 16 20:46:39 <C14r>  But I think, that there are some institution who have interests
Mär 16 20:46:55 <C14r>  May be not with the old method, but with some new stuff
Mär 16 20:47:02 <k4x>   ok, but is Robert writing perl?
Mär 16 20:47:08 <C14r>  no
Mär 16 20:47:27 <k4x>   ok, so we do not have enough information here now
Mär 16 20:47:28 <C14r>  The deply stuff in CipUX needs working on the concept
Mär 16 20:47:34 <k4x>   ok
Mär 16 20:47:46 <k4x>   i would like to use fai
Mär 16 20:47:55 <C14r>  yes may be
Mär 16 20:48:07 <k4x>   so we had another point: comparing lwat and cipux
Mär 16 20:48:08 <C14r>  but fai is dam complex and not good for windows
Mär 16 20:48:25 <C14r>  not on the agenda, but yes
Mär 16 20:48:41 <k4x>   Feature Meeting at 2007-03-16 20:00h CET in progress 6. comparing lwat and cipux
Mär 16 20:48:56 <C14r>  Did Ralf said he would like to compare?
Mär 16 20:48:57 <jever> do not care windows for now, lease
Mär 16 20:48:58 <k4x>   last point, i put it on agenda
Mär 16 20:49:23 <C14r>  ok, where was that page?
Mär 16 20:49:33 <k4x>   someone should check the wiki page and put the cipux information on it
Mär 16 20:50:09 <k4x>   http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/AdminToolForEtch
Mär 16 20:50:13 <jever> lwat and cipux are not compareable, they are different concepts
Mär 16 20:50:50 <C14r>  ok, that should be a todo for the cipux-devel list
Mär 16 20:50:53 <k4x>   just put this sentence into this wiki page
Mär 16 20:51:07 <C14r>  jever: please do
Mär 16 20:51:20 <jever> what?
Mär 16 20:51:29 <k4x>   ok, we have still some minutes
Mär 16 20:52:00 <k4x>   jever: just put your sentence into this wiki page
Mär 16 20:52:15 <C14r>  "can work out of the box after installation"
Mär 16 20:52:24 <k4x>   some other important information for us all?
Mär 16 20:52:28 <C14r>  This is wrong answering with no
Mär 16 20:52:43 <k4x>   correct it please
Mär 16 20:53:19 <k4x>   Steffen and Holger now are DDs, we congrat them
Mär 16 20:53:20 <C14r>  Would you think it is worng?
Mär 16 20:53:39 <k4x>   after installation cipux should run ;-)9
Mär 16 20:53:58 <k4x>   any other points now?
Mär 16 20:54:51 <k4x>   so thank you all for joining our meeting
Mär 16 20:54:53 <C14r>  So k4x will you correct that?
Mär 16 20:55:07 <C14r>  thank you all!
Mär 16 20:56:02 <k4x>   done
Mär 16 20:57:17 <C14r>  ok, I write summary tomorrow
Mär 16 20:57:52 *       jever will provide the log
Mär 16 20:57:58 <C14r>  merci