CipUX/Meeting/20070314/Log
please give your Reaslnames like jever = Juergen Leibner Mär 14 20:01:26 <C14r> ok jever do it :) Mär 14 20:01:33 * C14r Christian Kuelker Mär 14 20:01:33 <binar> binar = Benedikt Wildenhain Mär 14 20:02:00 <rf1> Roland Teichert Mär 14 20:02:08 <k4x> k4x = Kurt Gramlich Mär 14 20:02:11 <jever> Meeting starts now, so please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20070314 to be informed Mär 14 20:02:40 <jever> Thanks to all for joining the meeting Mär 14 20:02:50 <C14r> (oscar =Xavier Oswald has no time, but wrote a mail) Mär 14 20:03:23 <jever> First topic: Status of Debian-Edu Package Mär 14 20:03:45 <C14r> ok. I will paste was Xavier has written: (mon) Mär 14 20:03:54 <jever> ok, I see, the referends are not here Mär 14 20:04:05 <jever> C14r: please do Mär 14 20:04:12 <C14r> We made a cipux upload on the debian-edu server some days ago, but some things was Mär 14 20:04:15 <C14r> wrong and then we get rejected. So we made a small table with what need to be Mär 14 20:04:17 <C14r> done [1], head CipUX Debian Package. It's not that much to do, to get all these Mär 14 20:04:20 <C14r> things working so it will not take that much time. Im very busy right now but I Mär 14 20:04:22 <C14r> hope we will have a new verison to upload in two weeks. Otherwise, if DDs would Mär 14 20:04:25 <C14r> like to help us to fix these small things feel free to ask an svn account on the Mär 14 20:04:28 <C14r> cipux-devel list.[2]. If you have ideas, questions or find other missing/wrong Mär 14 20:04:30 <C14r> stuffs, Lior Kaplan(kaplan), Xavier Oswald(oskar64) and Christian Kuelker(C14r) Mär 14 20:04:33 <C14r> are working on this part. Mär 14 20:04:37 <C14r> [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ToDo Mär 14 20:04:38 <C14r> [2] http://sympa.cipworx.org/wws/subscribe/cipux-devel Mär 14 20:05:16 <C14r> ---------------- Mär 14 20:05:17 <C14r> I suggest to paste that also on the meeting tomorrow Mär 14 20:05:36 <C14r> who agrees? Mär 14 20:06:43 <jever> mmh, ok Mär 14 20:06:46 * binar Mär 14 20:07:40 <jever> Is there a detailled list in wiki anywhere? Mär 14 20:07:51 <C14r> of what? Mär 14 20:08:10 <jever> the points written above Mär 14 20:08:12 <C14r> please see [1] Mär 14 20:08:43 <C14r> other sugesstions or opinions? Mär 14 20:08:44 <k4x> for me it is not clear enough Mär 14 20:08:59 <C14r> ok Mär 14 20:09:27 <k4x> better point to the 3 or 5 important steps and ask for help Mär 14 20:09:42 <jever> [1] tells me nothing new, it needs every meeting only a little time ;-) Mär 14 20:09:55 <C14r> they are written in [1] Mär 14 20:10:42 <C14r> yes the problem is (or was) that I did the package fixing Mär 14 20:11:19 * jever is not a DD, so he can't see the problems in [1] Mär 14 20:11:46 <C14r> but I think it is not a good idea to continue that, because they are not here now. Mär 14 20:12:01 <jever> <-- wishes to get enlighted ;-) Mär 14 20:12:02 <k4x> suggestion: 1 what to do to fix the cipux bugs to work with debian edu Mär 14 20:12:11 <C14r> jever: there are small policy problems, like "name it like this" Mär 14 20:12:34 <jever> C14r: that tells me what I wanted to know Mär 14 20:12:36 <C14r> k4x: I i write to you what to do that takes longer then fixing Mär 14 20:13:10 <C14r> a DD can fix this Mär 14 20:13:11 <k4x> C14r: ok Mär 14 20:13:22 <C14r> like Lior, He will look at the weekend Mär 14 20:13:31 <jever> fine Mär 14 20:13:36 <C14r> (but he seems under havy load) Mär 14 20:14:02 <C14r> And Xavier will also be available after weekeind I think Mär 14 20:14:05 <k4x> suggestion: 2 find a DD tomorrow in IRC Mär 14 20:14:16 <C14r> ok, that would be fine Mär 14 20:14:33 <jever> ok, are there any questions further? Mär 14 20:14:51 <C14r> (already spoke with Xavier about that) Mär 14 20:15:26 <jever> then we change to the next topic: CAT Documentation Project Mär 14 20:15:29 <k4x> we need more upstream authors and DDs Mär 14 20:15:34 <k4x> ok Mär 14 20:15:41 <C14r> yes Mär 14 20:15:56 <C14r> jever: can you say the status? Mär 14 20:16:35 <jever> Status is, that there is a new site: doc.cipux.org Mär 14 20:17:02 <jever> It was created for glueing documentation and translation together Mär 14 20:17:33 <jever> Right now, the testcontent has to be edited an cleaned up Mär 14 20:18:04 <jever> I think to do this until Friday Mär 14 20:18:24 <luk> C14r: note that h01ger is DD now and you can contact me later today... Mär 14 20:18:50 <C14r> jever: ok, so we can announce that on Friday and start work? Mär 14 20:18:56 <jever> It would be nice, if the first users began to test and comment the usability Mär 14 20:18:59 <C14r> luk: Thank you! Mär 14 20:19:09 <jever> until friday Mär 14 20:19:34 <C14r> jever: before or after cleanup? Mär 14 20:19:42 <jever> then we can start and track the usage for fixing little problems Mär 14 20:19:55 <jever> the users should start now Mär 14 20:20:01 <rf1> the usability seems to me very fine,without big problems Mär 14 20:20:19 <jever> I will track their work and tidy up what doesn't fit Mär 14 20:20:42 <C14r> jever: is the content now xhtml, with the minimal editor? Mär 14 20:20:46 <jever> from technical view Mär 14 20:21:55 <jever> no, the content, which was put in before the last adjustments isn't Mär 14 20:22:08 <C14r> yes, but the new is ok? Mär 14 20:22:12 <jever> that is what I have to clean up Mär 14 20:22:18 <C14r> yes Mär 14 20:22:23 <jever> and track Mär 14 20:22:33 <C14r> yes but the new input is ok? Mär 14 20:23:03 <jever> yes, my test was successfull Mär 14 20:23:19 <C14r> ok, good news! :) So why not empty the old HTML tonight, and start tomorrow with XHTML? Mär 14 20:23:40 <jever> that is what I ment with clean up Mär 14 20:23:46 <C14r> (I will help) Mär 14 20:24:00 <jever> thank you Mär 14 20:24:39 <C14r> So suggest that we can say that we can start tomorrow at 12:00 to put the first testcontent into it, which will not thrown away, ok? Mär 14 20:24:50 * mherweg (~mherweg@p508E7B4D.dip.t-dialin.net) hat #CipUX betreten Mär 14 20:24:56 <C14r> (= start writing) Mär 14 20:25:11 <jever> every content which is in will not be thron away Mär 14 20:25:20 <C14r> ok :) Mär 14 20:25:25 <jever> it will be cleaned Mär 14 20:25:33 <C14r> ok, Mär 14 20:25:53 <jever> we need the content to see how the CMS reacts on it Mär 14 20:26:08 <jever> for finetuning Mär 14 20:26:12 <C14r> mherweg: can you introduce yourself withe /me Firstname Lastname ? Mär 14 20:27:00 <C14r> jever: So if we have no problems could you annouce the new CipUX Documentation Project on Debain-Edu Mär 14 20:27:26 <jever> In the meeting? Mär 14 20:27:30 <C14r> yes Mär 14 20:27:34 * mherweg Martin Herweg (skolelinux Marl,Germany) Mär 14 20:28:15 <C14r> are there other opinions about it? Mär 14 20:28:22 <jever> I can not attend the meeting, have to be in the school by my daughter tomorrow Mär 14 20:28:39 <jever> :-( Mär 14 20:28:40 <C14r> jever: no problem, do it like Xavier :-) Mär 14 20:28:54 <jever> ok Mär 14 20:29:09 <C14r> jever: please send a short snippet to cipux-devel@cipux.org Mär 14 20:29:34 <jever> Ok, if there are no other questions we can go to: Status of CAT porting Mär 14 20:30:02 <jever> C14r: would you please give us the state Mär 14 20:30:20 <C14r> ok, jever I do: I ported import.cgi today, so it works mostly. Mär 14 20:30:53 <C14r> There are now all base modules available: useradmin groupadmin tutoradmin roleadmin skeladmin import Mär 14 20:31:08 <C14r> what is missing and releace critical is: Mär 14 20:31:18 <C14r> cipuxadmin, for the ACL of CAT by it self. Mär 14 20:31:28 <C14r> I will do it this week Mär 14 20:31:39 <k4x> jever: i added new topic: short reports: last week done, results, problems, blockers, next week plan Mär 14 20:31:42 <C14r> And userselfadmin is also missing (to set the user passwords) Mär 14 20:32:06 <C14r> Wolfgang want to write that but ne info from him Mär 14 20:32:08 <k4x> C14r: did you send email to Wolfgang? Mär 14 20:32:17 <C14r> yes, no answer so far Mär 14 20:32:26 <C14r> but that is only 12h, so ... Mär 14 20:32:29 <k4x> C14r: please CC to me Mär 14 20:32:36 <C14r> ok Mär 14 20:32:49 <C14r> but for future I intent to use the list Mär 14 20:33:12 <k4x> jever: next topic? Mär 14 20:33:30 <jever> no, I have a question Mär 14 20:33:41 <C14r> so some advance features are missing: internetadmin (binar) examadmin (mherweg?) Mär 14 20:33:48 <C14r> trasnferadmin Mär 14 20:34:12 <C14r> jever: yes? Mär 14 20:34:59 <jever> is the functionality of the ported modules identically to the old ones? Mär 14 20:35:11 <C14r> no, not yet Mär 14 20:35:28 <jever> but later, when they are ready? Mär 14 20:35:38 <C14r> this is the goal Mär 14 20:35:48 <C14r> (and even more) :-) Mär 14 20:35:56 <k4x> C14r: is this documented in the wiki? Mär 14 20:36:09 <C14r> k4x: exactly what? Mär 14 20:36:10 <k4x> C14r: as ToDo? Mär 14 20:36:21 <k4x> functionality of the ported modules identically to the old one Mär 14 20:36:34 <C14r> k4x: no not 100%, no time till now Mär 14 20:36:40 <jever> is there a timeline for every module and can someone ask for enhancements and where should he do that? Mär 14 20:36:54 <C14r> the deadline is the version Mär 14 20:37:17 <C14r> for 3.4.0 I think we would have some goals: Mär 14 20:37:22 <C14r> (1) be in debian edu Mär 14 20:37:32 <C14r> (2) do much functionallity as possible Mär 14 20:37:45 <C14r> (3) without adding every functionallity Mär 14 20:38:12 <k4x> perhaps we need this timeline for every module, status should be transparent Mär 14 20:38:30 <jever> ok, should we build a structure for that? Mär 14 20:38:38 <k4x> yes please Mär 14 20:38:43 <C14r> k4x: yes Mär 14 20:38:46 <mherweg> examadmin: i did some reading about SELinux(redhat) and apparmor(suse) what is the standard debian solution for MandantoryAccess Control ? I suggest Apparmor because it's easier to use . or maybe linux Vserver or openVZ Mär 14 20:38:46 <C14r> jever: ? Mär 14 20:39:39 <C14r> mherweg: good quetsion! Mär 14 20:39:41 <k4x> mherweg: perhaps ask on debian-edu? Mär 14 20:39:54 <jever> a structure for collecting all that information at a single point Mär 14 20:39:57 <C14r> mherweg: yes that is what I would like to say Mär 14 20:40:02 <binar> what kind of security level is needed for exams? Mär 14 20:40:09 <C14r> jever: wiki? Mär 14 20:40:21 <luk> mherweg: SELinux will be in etch Mär 14 20:41:04 * finnarne (~finnarne@gateway.bzzware.org) hat #CipUX betreten Mär 14 20:41:16 <jever> or CMS? Think, we should decide where to put what kind of information now Mär 14 20:41:34 <k4x> perhaps we should not discuss now the examadmin tool, but later Mär 14 20:41:50 <C14r> jever: wiki is best because, is is no documentation, so we TODO/subpage or Feature/Subpage Mär 14 20:42:10 <k4x> C14r: ack Mär 14 20:42:10 <jever> finnarne: Hi, meeting in progress please identify with /me = name Mär 14 20:42:30 * finnarne is just lurking, not takign part in the meeting Mär 14 20:42:31 <C14r> mherweg: Do you now how to do that with SELinux? Mär 14 20:42:32 * luk = Luk Claes Mär 14 20:42:45 <jever> finnarne: ok Mär 14 20:43:19 * finnarne = Finn-Arne Johansen Mär 14 20:43:28 <k4x> i suggest in a wiki page modulname table red yellow green for status Mär 14 20:43:30 <jever> C14r: ok, doing that in wiki Mär 14 20:43:55 <C14r> k4x: jever ok Mär 14 20:44:04 <C14r> a subpage for CAT may be Mär 14 20:44:09 <mherweg> C14r: in theroy yes but it looks very complicated. I'd prefer Apparmor or snare(availible.for 2.6.x) Mär 14 20:44:50 <C14r> luk: is snare or Apparmor in Etch? Mär 14 20:45:41 <luk> I don't think so Mär 14 20:45:54 <jever> There are 15 min. left, let us go to next point: Status of Netgroups Feature Mär 14 20:46:08 <C14r> mherweg: we can ask someone for help may be Mär 14 20:46:11 <luk> vserver and openvz are btw Mär 14 20:46:31 <k4x> jever: ok Mär 14 20:46:36 <C14r> luk: Thx Mär 14 20:46:43 <C14r> jever: ok Mär 14 20:47:00 <k4x> binar: please give short report Mär 14 20:47:03 <mherweg> luk: vserver and openvz are btw.... ? Mär 14 20:47:06 <binar> cipux_task-commands ready, gui more or less, now I have to combine both to a working module Mär 14 20:47:12 <luk> mherweg: in etch Mär 14 20:47:37 <k4x> subgroups working? Mär 14 20:47:42 <binar> the glue for subgroups still needs to be written Mär 14 20:47:50 <binar> but it isn't much work Mär 14 20:48:25 <k4x> how many time you need to finish this module? Mär 14 20:48:55 <binar> hope this evening, but will certainly be ready end of these week Mär 14 20:49:04 <binar> this Mär 14 20:49:06 <k4x> binar: fine tnx Mär 14 20:49:15 <C14r> binar: should I look on it later? Mär 14 20:49:28 <jever> binar: fine, thanks for your work Mär 14 20:49:39 <binar> C14r: yes, we'll talk about that Mär 14 20:50:03 <C14r> binar: ok [ :) Thx! ] Mär 14 20:50:18 <jever> so we can go to the last point, regarded by k4x, so he might start Mär 14 20:50:27 <jever> short reports: last week done, results, problems, blockers, next week plan Mär 14 20:50:29 <k4x> ok Mär 14 20:51:02 <k4x> last week, doing some checks, starting koordination Mär 14 20:51:12 <k4x> results: positive reaktions Mär 14 20:51:47 <jever> ok, C14r please Mär 14 20:51:48 <k4x> problems: to find DDs and more authors with perl knowlege Mär 14 20:52:00 <k4x> blockers: time Mär 14 20:52:21 <k4x> next week plan: testing and forcing people to help Mär 14 20:52:30 <k4x> tnx for listening Mär 14 20:52:44 <C14r> last week: porting CAT modules, result modules migrated, problems: to less time, blockers: no much work for coordination, meetings Mär 14 20:52:52 <C14r> ;-) Mär 14 20:53:13 <C14r> next week: package review with Lior Mär 14 20:53:27 <C14r> (hopefully!) Mär 14 20:53:53 <jever> thank you Mär 14 20:53:58 <C14r> smooth install on Skole, Documentation Mär 14 20:54:01 <C14r> ups, ok Mär 14 20:54:29 <k4x> tnx Mär 14 20:54:37 <jever> last week, building and testing CMS Mär 14 20:54:53 <jever> searching for best fitting modules Mär 14 20:54:59 <jever> for CMS Mär 14 20:55:30 <binar> last week: added cipux netgroup acl, worked on netgroups-module, checked for possibility to install on a fresh debian-edu Mär 14 20:55:37 <jever> results: mostly working CipUX Dokumentation Projekt Mär 14 20:56:21 <jever> next week: tracking CMS workers for starting up Mär 14 20:56:25 <binar> results: installs on debian-edu Mär 14 20:57:16 <jever> blockers: time, CeBit, work and family issues Mär 14 20:57:22 <binar> blockers: time, didn't really understand what ldap does (fixed by reading much doc) Mär 14 20:57:23 <k4x> ;-) Mär 14 20:57:59 <k4x> luk ? Mär 14 20:58:53 <jever> or anyone else? Mär 14 20:59:10 <C14r> would liek to say somthing about meeting tomorrow, ok? Mär 14 20:59:24 <jever> ok, C14r please Mär 14 20:59:27 <C14r> The attendence at the meeting tomorrow is very important! I suggest, that mherweg ask tomorrow about implemention details on debianEdu (please add that to the agenda). jever wrote a snippet for the Documentaion Project, binar anouce a working module (hopefully), k4x?, ... Mär 14 20:59:28 <luk> k4x: pong Mär 14 21:00:56 <C14r> We also can ask for CAT artwork contributors Mär 14 21:01:38 <jever> ok, time is over, meeting is closed