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CipUX/Meeting/20070221/log

Feb 21 22:07:32 <C14r>  The meeting starts now:
Feb 21 22:08:02 <C14r>  could every one make yourself visible for atendence with \me Firstname Lastname?
Feb 21 22:08:13 <C14r>  up /me of course
Feb 21 22:08:19 *       C14r Christian Kuelker
Feb 21 22:08:20 *       sepski Ronny Aasen 
Feb 21 22:08:22 *       gall_ Guillaume Allegre
Feb 21 22:08:24 *       luk Luk Claes
Feb 21 22:08:25 *       jever = JÃŒrgen Leibner
Feb 21 22:08:30 *       owl Wolfgang Drotschmann
Feb 21 22:08:33 *       kaplan Lior Kaplan
Feb 21 22:08:48 <C14r>  ok, it there a written topic on the page, jever?
Feb 21 22:09:09 <C14r>  I guess not, so I would suggest to start with a small report from every one
Feb 21 22:09:25 <sepski>        yay managed to login  the port 8000 problem is a bug in the /etc/init.d/cipux-rpcdr script
Feb 21 22:09:30 <jever> No, cannot see one
Feb 21 22:09:45 <C14r>  if no objections are there, can luk start?
Feb 21 22:09:56 *       FrancoisGannaz (~Mytskine@coriolan.silecs.info) hat #CipUX betreten
Feb 21 22:09:59 <C14r>  What are the status, blockers, plan?
Feb 21 22:10:41 <luk>   C14r: I'd rather go second so I have an idea what you expect me to say
Feb 21 22:10:58 <luk>   status:
Feb 21 22:11:03 <C14r>  FrancoisGannaz: welcome, the meeting has started, can you identify yourself with /me Firstname, Lastname?
Feb 21 22:11:18 <C14r>  ok, who would like to start?
Feb 21 22:11:31 <luk>   I started with the roleadmin for cat-web
Feb 21 22:11:37 <C14r>  ok
Feb 21 22:11:38 <luk>   C14r: I'll try :-)
Feb 21 22:11:57 *       FrancoisGannaz is François Gannaz, a member of Silecs, like Guillaume AllÚgre
Feb 21 22:12:05 <luk>   I have a good idea of how the template should look like
Feb 21 22:12:22 <C14r>  luk: goof, how far has the migration  gone?
Feb 21 22:12:28 <luk>   though I didn't use the Dumper before
Feb 21 22:12:28 <C14r>  goof=good
Feb 21 22:12:58 <luk>   so that will probably go well (no real blockers that I know of now)
Feb 21 22:13:02 <luk>   the cgi:
Feb 21 22:13:08 <C14r>  ok, so you think you are good under way
Feb 21 22:13:24 <C14r>  luk: what are your plans?
Feb 21 22:14:09 <luk>   I'll try to finish it tomorrow, though if there keep things pop up in between like yesterday and today, I'm not sure I'll manage
Feb 21 22:14:21 <luk>   I'll definitely ask whenever I have problems
Feb 21 22:14:32 <C14r>  ok, but good plan :)
Feb 21 22:14:42 <luk>   that the package doesn't work out of the box is a bummer
Feb 21 22:15:00 <C14r>  luk: what do you mean?
Feb 21 22:15:08 <luk>   the cgi's give blank pages, so I have to look into that otherwise I cannot test it well
Feb 21 22:15:18 <sepski>        luk, on debian-edu ? 
Feb 21 22:15:33 <luk>   no, on Debian for the moment
Feb 21 22:15:40 <luk>   unstable
Feb 21 22:15:49 <C14r>  sepski: luks means possible the CGI::Formbuilder stuff?
Feb 21 22:16:20 <C14r>  luk: suggest to discuss that into detail afterwards
Feb 21 22:16:29 <luk>   C14r: ok
Feb 21 22:16:37 <C14r>  luk: anything else?
Feb 21 22:17:24 <luk>   I can help for the gettext i18n, though I cannot do multiple things at the same time :-)
Feb 21 22:17:54 <C14r>  luk: good, I would need you help!
Feb 21 22:17:59 <C14r>  owl: can you tell us now?
Feb 21 22:18:32 <owl>   Status: Frustrated
Feb 21 22:19:09 <owl>   Blockers: Trying to get a virtual instance of debianedu + cipux to install and work
Feb 21 22:19:57 <sepski>        owl, ill mention the steps needed afterwards 
Feb 21 22:20:12 <C14r>  owl: Plans?
Feb 21 22:20:22 <owl>   Problem: It's te first time that I try to install it, and I have no experience with a possible networking problem (getting cipx stuff through to the virtual DebEd)
Feb 21 22:20:28 <luk>   owl: that's something I'm also interested in, especially qemu, though I've not used it much
Feb 21 22:20:50 <gall_> same for me
Feb 21 22:21:06 <C14r>  gall_ luk owl sepski joined forces! Great!
Feb 21 22:21:16 <luk>   so, probably we should all listen to sepski's guiding steps!
Feb 21 22:21:24 <C14r>  owl: Plans?
Feb 21 22:21:26 <jever> I've a installation here in qemu
Feb 21 22:21:28 <owl>   Plans: Well... tried it with VMware a few minutes ago, but get lost after booting with expertgui...
Feb 21 22:21:49 <C14r>  owl: ok, something else?
Feb 21 22:22:04 <owl>   No.
Feb 21 22:22:09 <C14r>  jever: would you be next, or should we skip you?
Feb 21 22:22:33 <jever> status:
Feb 21 22:22:39 <C14r>  good :)
Feb 21 22:23:03 <jever> been away for nearly two weeks I'm going on now
Feb 21 22:23:09 <jever> again
Feb 21 22:23:19 <C14r>  ok! welcome on board again!
Feb 21 22:23:27 <C14r>  Plans?
Feb 21 22:23:36 <jever> blockers: too old and slow hardware here
Feb 21 22:24:12 <jever> plans: testing installations automatically
Feb 21 22:24:33 <jever> on debian-edu-etch daily-build
Feb 21 22:24:48 <jever> triying to script this
Feb 21 22:25:03 <jever> ok
Feb 21 22:25:05 <C14r>  ok, super! enything else? 
Feb 21 22:25:10 <C14r>  sepski: can you continue?
Feb 21 22:25:18 <sepski>        okay
Feb 21 22:25:19 <luk>   jever: did you have a look at babelbox?
Feb 21 22:25:31 <jever> luk: no
Feb 21 22:25:54 <sepski>        status: Yipii. i just got the first look at cipux cat-web ever. first impression: many modules are missing, but it looks good. 
Feb 21 22:26:02 <jever> luk: give me a URL, please
Feb 21 22:26:15 <luk>   babelbox is an automatic installation script to show the installation (of Debian) in different languages
Feb 21 22:26:27 <C14r>  sepski: we are working on  this :)
Feb 21 22:26:32 <jever> ah, fine
Feb 21 22:26:37 <kaplan>        http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/BabelBoxAlt
Feb 21 22:26:42 <C14r>  sepski: blockers?
Feb 21 22:26:43 <sepski>        i have been working with C14r to get the cipux_setup working, and it looks like he's might close to getting that 100%
Feb 21 22:26:47 <jever> :-)
Feb 21 22:27:27 <sepski>        what would that mean ? i dont see any blockers atm
Feb 21 22:27:46 <C14r>  ok then you answerd that question :)
Feb 21 22:27:47 <sepski>        shoudl i mention whats needed for cipux-cat-web, or my plans ? 
Feb 21 22:27:47 <C14r>  sepski: plans?
Feb 21 22:28:03 <luk>   your plans
Feb 21 22:28:09 <C14r>  sepski: we fix cat afterwards
Feb 21 22:28:21 <C14r>  sepski: plans?
Feb 21 22:28:26 <sepski>        plans: writing a cfenging script to do the cipux_sertup unattended
Feb 21 22:28:40 <sepski>        so it can be inclued in the default cd
Feb 21 22:28:59 <C14r>  sepski: ok, good we will count on you, something else?
Feb 21 22:29:27 <C14r>  So I will continue
Feb 21 22:29:32 <sepski>        im working on the ldap config to get rid of error messages
Feb 21 22:29:36 <C14r>  "Status:"
Feb 21 22:29:36 <luk>   show us the steps needed to test in a virtual machine :-)
Feb 21 22:29:36 <sepski>        and nagios2 in debian-edu 
Feb 21 22:29:44 <sepski>        after C14r 
Feb 21 22:29:52 <C14r>   * CipUX runs under fresh installed Debia, but we see today a case where the port 8000 was not get-able by the 
Feb 21 22:29:55 <C14r>  RPC server.
Feb 21 22:30:05 <C14r>  * cipux-common and mostly cipux-cibot installs under Debian-Edu
Feb 21 22:30:12 <C14r>  * The cleaning of the Debain package makes progress
Feb 21 22:30:20 <C14r>  "Blockers:"
Feb 21 22:30:26 <C14r>  * no direct skole installation avialable
Feb 21 22:30:36 <C14r>  * some other work todo
Feb 21 22:30:56 <C14r>  * not commited the cleaning (sorry kaplan)
Feb 21 22:30:59 <C14r>  "Plans:"
Feb 21 22:31:04 <C14r>  * finish clean Debian package tonight
Feb 21 22:31:10 <C14r>  * work on skole install when Ronny has time
Feb 21 22:31:19 <C14r>  * supervise luk and owl and others
Feb 21 22:31:26 <C14r>  any question?
Feb 21 22:31:38 <luk>   looks good :-)
Feb 21 22:31:53 <C14r>  luk: thx
Feb 21 22:32:00 <C14r>  kaplan: can you continue?
Feb 21 22:32:04 <kaplan>        C14r, Just let me know when you commit, so I can contintue the checks for Debian.
Feb 21 22:32:17 <C14r>  kaplan: ok, mybe tonight
Feb 21 22:32:33 <C14r>  kaplan: so have a look tomorow
Feb 21 22:32:33 <kaplan>        reviewed parts for the debian package:
Feb 21 22:32:50 <kaplan>        the control files and build depends.
Feb 21 22:32:54 <C14r>  kaplan: would also likt to work with you and luk on haebraic for cat
Feb 21 22:33:15 <C14r>  kaplan: ok
Feb 21 22:33:28 <kaplan>        the rules files (which required some fixes to the makefiles)
Feb 21 22:33:59 <C14r>  ok, Besides my less of work power, what are the other blockers?
Feb 21 22:34:00 <kaplan>        the install target of the make files produced some error, which I'm waiting to be fixed.
Feb 21 22:34:07 <kaplan>        I'll continue afterwards.
Feb 21 22:34:29 <kaplan>        C14r: haebraic?
Feb 21 22:34:52 <C14r>  well, I am not sure how your language called in english ...
Feb 21 22:35:00 <kaplan>        C14r, I don't know yet regarding blockes, as I haven't finished the review. Sorry.
Feb 21 22:35:04 <luk>   hebrew
Feb 21 22:35:11 <C14r>  ok!
Feb 21 22:35:45 <kaplan>        I prefer the first finish the debian parts, and do l10n lates. That's less important for the project.
Feb 21 22:35:58 <C14r>  kaplan: ok, of course And your plans?
Feb 21 22:35:59 <kaplan>        lates = later
Feb 21 22:36:10 <C14r>  (or enything else?)
Feb 21 22:36:17 <kaplan>        I hope to do most of the checks tomorrow....
Feb 21 22:36:40 <C14r>  gall_: can you continue?
Feb 21 22:36:50 <C14r>  kaplan: ups, finisched?
Feb 21 22:37:02 <kaplan>        c14r, yes, I'm done.
Feb 21 22:37:10 <C14r>  ok, gall_ then ...
Feb 21 22:37:23 <gall_> OK. status : newbie in the whole Cipux stack
Feb 21 22:37:52 <gall_> for the moment, I've tried to install the sid packages
Feb 21 22:38:14 <gall_> cipux-cibot cipux-common  cipux-rpc
Feb 21 22:38:38 <gall_> but I've got errors in the last one 
Feb 21 22:38:40 <C14r>  ok, Blockers?
Feb 21 22:38:57 <luk>   oh, I was able to install it
Feb 21 22:39:18 <gall_> OK, so I think I'll get local help
Feb 21 22:39:19 <kaplan>        gall_, please let me know of error during installation of debian.
Feb 21 22:40:00 <gall_> to be precise, it's not a fresh install but a etch/sid 
Feb 21 22:40:12 <C14r>   gall_ good to know! Plans?
Feb 21 22:41:03 <gall_> to debug my installation with Luk (probably)
Feb 21 22:41:14 <C14r>  OK. Thank you! Anything else?
Feb 21 22:41:29 <gall_> And read the doc !
Feb 21 22:41:40 <C14r>  :) FrancoisGannaz: can you report shortly what you have done? Status?
Feb 21 22:42:08 <FrancoisGannaz>        gall_ told me about cipux yesterday
Feb 21 22:42:24 <FrancoisGannaz>        I took the svn
Feb 21 22:42:33 <jever> whom of you is using the packages from http://debiantest.cipux.org/ ?
Feb 21 22:42:35 <FrancoisGannaz>        and made .deb from it
Feb 21 22:43:10 <FrancoisGannaz>        I encountered a few problems during installation on running etch
Feb 21 22:43:17 <luk>   jever: I'm *not*, I used just a svn version I had checked out
Feb 21 22:43:29 <kaplan>        jever, isn't that the same like the package in the SVN?
Feb 21 22:43:40 <gall_> jever : I used the http://debian.cipworx.org/ repository
Feb 21 22:43:57 <C14r>  gall_: that is for sarge
Feb 21 22:44:13 <oskar64>       oh there was a meeting today ? :/
Feb 21 22:44:17 <oskar64>       where was this news ?
Feb 21 22:44:17 <sepski>        jever, i build from svn
Feb 21 22:44:38 <C14r>  oskar64: yes, you can introduce yourself now?
Feb 21 22:44:41 <jever> ok, thank you for your feedback
Feb 21 22:44:45 *       oskar64 Xavier Oswald
Feb 21 22:44:55 <sepski>        i am seriously considering just uploading to etch-test since they are building just nicely. and there is no reason why they cant get broader test audience 
Feb 21 22:45:12 <C14r>  kaplan: i think it is the same
Feb 21 22:45:19 <oskar64>       I will do that, I get an upload account yesterday !
Feb 21 22:45:25 <jever> the packages on http://debiantest.cipux.org/ are build every half hour out of trunk svn
Feb 21 22:45:33 <sepski>        oskar64, great :) upload a few times a day :)
Feb 21 22:45:41 <oskar64>       lol
Feb 21 22:45:54 <C14r>  oskar64: what is the status of your work?
Feb 21 22:45:58 <kaplan>        sepski, which version do you intend to upload?
Feb 21 22:46:23 <sepski>        etch-test is the development cd we need the svn version there all the time. 
Feb 21 22:46:32 <sepski>        so you can easily upload them often. 
Feb 21 22:46:40 <sepski>        kaplan, oskar64 will do it 
Feb 21 22:47:03 <oskar64>       C14r: I have on my TODO list to review the licence of each file and then test once again on debian-edu and plain debian system
Feb 21 22:47:14 <kaplan>        sepskim oskar64, it doesn't matter who does that, which version?
Feb 21 22:47:21 <sepski>        the one in svn ? 
Feb 21 22:47:31 <C14r>  :D
Feb 21 22:47:41 <sepski>        are there any other version that matters ? 
Feb 21 22:47:55 <luk>   no, not yet :-)
Feb 21 22:48:05 <C14r>  :)
Feb 21 22:48:13 <kaplan>        sepski, please wait another day. So I'll review it.
Feb 21 22:48:24 <sepski>        kaplan, there is no reason to wait
Feb 21 22:48:30 <sepski>        if you find errors we just upload another
Feb 21 22:48:43 <sepski>        i upload to etch-test the same package 3-4-5 times a day
Feb 21 22:48:48 <sepski>        it's the -test after all
Feb 21 22:48:48 <C14r>  I suggest also to wait till we ( kaplan C14r are finished with makeup)
Feb 21 22:49:17 <C14r>  sepski: there are some small, why we should do it not today, but we are very close
Feb 21 22:49:19 <sepski>        when packages are lookign good they are migrates to debian-edu/etch and the show continues on etch-test with new development versions 
Feb 21 22:49:34 <oskar64>       yes, the version from svn
Feb 21 22:49:43 <sepski>        we also need time with the packages in the repo to write cfengine scrips
Feb 21 22:49:46 <sepski>        integrate them on the cd
Feb 21 22:49:54 <sepski>        find out what to toss out to make room for them ...
Feb 21 22:50:08 <C14r>  600kb?
Feb 21 22:50:08 <sepski>        so better 10 upload to many in etch-test then 1 to little
Feb 21 22:50:36 <C14r>  ok this seems to be  discussion we should make
Feb 21 22:50:42 <oskar64>       I have free time tomorow afternoon to upload cipux into skolelinux. Is this ok for everybody ?
Feb 21 22:50:57 <C14r>  suggest to conunue afterwards or in a special meeting tomorrow
Feb 21 22:51:10 <sepski>        oskar64, can you do it tonight  or early tomorow ? i'd like for the status of cipus on the debian-edu to say "packagse are uploaded"
Feb 21 22:51:38 <oskar64>       sepski: I have to work for the Uni this night :/
Feb 21 22:51:50 <oskar64>       I can do the upload at 14h00 tomorow
Feb 21 22:51:56 <sepski>        that's good enough :)
Feb 21 22:52:00 <C14r>  we should also wait for kaplan aproval, we did some restructuring.
Feb 21 22:52:16 <sepski>        C14r, the upload to -test does not need aproval 
Feb 21 22:52:21 <sepski>        that's why iy's the -test
Feb 21 22:52:26 <C14r>  kaplan: could that be ok (it is for skole, not debian)
Feb 21 22:52:32 <C14r>  sepski: not formally, yes
Feb 21 22:52:34 <kaplan>        fine with me.
Feb 21 22:52:36 <sepski>        for the migration from -test to edu it would be good with aproval :)
Feb 21 22:52:37 <luk>   sepski: it will probably need approval from ftp-master...
Feb 21 22:52:43 <C14r>  ok, then we do it
Feb 21 22:53:09 <kaplan>        oskar64, please contact me before uploading... maybe some last minute changes (:
Feb 21 22:53:14 <C14r>  (if the ftp-master can live with it)
Feb 21 22:53:15 <sepski>        ofcourse :)
Feb 21 22:53:28 <oskar64>       luk: yes, Holget is comaintaining it with me so he will review the package before entereing into deiban-edu main
Feb 21 22:53:35 <oskar64>       kaplan: ok
Feb 21 22:53:35 <C14r>  luk: what is your opinion?
Feb 21 22:53:45 <oskar64>       kaplan: you are connected tomorow ?
Feb 21 22:53:56 <oskar64>       s/holget/holger
Feb 21 22:54:27 <C14r>  ok oskar64 blockers and plans seems now clear.
Feb 21 22:54:34 <kaplan>        oskar64, yes, I'll be connected.
Feb 21 22:54:35 <C14r>  or something else oskar64 ?
Feb 21 22:54:56 <C14r>  when we should scedule the next meeding?
Feb 21 22:55:10 <oskar64>       C14r: no, it's ok for me, I will have some comments after doing my tests ;)
Feb 21 22:55:19 <C14r>  oskar64: ok
Feb 21 22:55:36 <C14r>  So when we meet next? bevore tomorrow 14h or after?
Feb 21 22:55:44 <kaplan>        C14r, friday ?
Feb 21 22:55:46 <luk>   I would wait till at least a review of kaplan tomorrow
Feb 21 22:55:59 <C14r>  luk: ok that make sense.
Feb 21 22:56:12 <oskar64>       friday afternoon, Im free
Feb 21 22:56:19 <oskar64>       or tomorow afternoon too
Feb 21 22:56:29 <C14r>  ok.
Feb 21 22:56:47 <luk>   I would say friday
Feb 21 22:56:59 <C14r>  we should have at least one shorter status meeting tomorrow afternoon or evening for the cipux-cat-web migration
Feb 21 22:57:09 <sepski>        should i mention the steps i needed to do to get cipux on skole ? 
Feb 21 22:57:30 <C14r>  luk: so 2 wotes for friday
Feb 21 22:57:37 <jever> yes, please
Feb 21 22:57:50 <C14r>  and one vote for tomorrow
Feb 21 22:57:57 <C14r>  an other opinions?
Feb 21 22:58:45 <C14r>  ok, then I would say we meet friday afternoon again for everybody.
Feb 21 22:58:57 <C14r>  what time? 17:00 ?
Feb 21 22:59:15 <gall_> it's too late
Feb 21 22:59:25 <C14r>  ok 14:00?
Feb 21 22:59:26 <luk>   14h?
Feb 21 22:59:33 <gall_> yes
Feb 21 22:59:36 <oskar64>       I'm free for 15h30 before, Im at the Uni
Feb 21 22:59:39 <C14r>  ok for me
Feb 21 23:00:13 <C14r>  ok for me 14:00
Feb 21 23:00:25 <C14r>  gall_: luk what about 15:30?
Feb 21 23:00:56 <gall_> OK for a short meeting
Feb 21 23:00:56 <oskar64>       or frifay morning at 10:30 ..
Feb 21 23:01:04 <oskar64>       friday
Feb 21 23:01:17 <luk>   morning is fine
Feb 21 23:01:28 <C14r>  for mee to
Feb 21 23:01:33 <kaplan>        for me too.
Feb 21 23:01:41 <gall_> me-too
Feb 21 23:01:44 <oskar64>       hehe nice
Feb 21 23:01:47 <sepski>        do you people not work ? :)
Feb 21 23:02:02 <C14r>  sepski: yes we do
Feb 21 23:02:03 <oskar64>       sepski: :) Im student ;)
Feb 21 23:02:05 <luk>   sepski: this week only on Debian-Edu and Debian :-)
Feb 21 23:02:11 <kaplan>        That's why we attennd skolelinux conferences...
Feb 21 23:02:18 <sepski>        ahh
Feb 21 23:02:20 <C14r>  yes!
Feb 21 23:02:39 <C14r>  So wee meet Friday 10:30 here again,