20:19 <@[-oskar-]> Hi
20:20 <@[-oskar-]> sorry for the delay, there is lots of traffic around strasbourg :/
20:21 < SammyWG> [-oskar-]: np, 2200 utc is 2400 cest, so you have much time :)
20:21 < jever> :-)
20:22 <@[-oskar-]> arf
20:23 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: give me this time :/
20:24 <@[-oskar-]> well when should we start ?
20:24 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: around ?
20:26 < SammyWG> 1830 utc?
19:01 -!- Olivier_54 [~olivier@reverse-46.fdn.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:34 <@[-oskar-]> yes but only C14r can speak about security with cipux and jean-charles about the php stuffs :/
20:35 < SammyWG> okay, i have enough time to wait, have to write an article about php and gpg in between :)
20:37 -!- mherweg [~mherweg@62.217.57.66] has joined #CipUX
20:37 < jever> mh, do someone here know if they are available?
20:38 <@[-oskar-]> SammyWG: :)
20:38 < mherweg> if what is available ? (sorry 4 me being late)
20:38 <@[-oskar-]> I didn't get news from C14r and Jean-Charles since about 3 weeks
20:39 < jever> That's a quite long time :-/
20:39 -!- skogmus [~gjermund@ti541210a080-0858.bb.online.no] has joined #CipUX
20:42 < C14r> [-oskar-]: yes
20:43 < C14r> [-oskar-]: sorry i am late, my WLAN was not working here in the hotel
20:43 < jever> aaah, the maestro is fallen from wireless heaven, welcome C14r
20:45 < jever> C14r: could you tell some about the state of bringing CipUX iinto debian?
20:45 < C14r> jever: welcome you too
20:46 < jever> long time ago I've seen you
20:46 < C14r> jever: This should be a topic for today to collect the status
20:46 < jever> It is a topic
20:47 < C14r> jever: have we a page for other topics?
20:47 < k4x> [-oskar-]: /me Kurt is hier
20:47 < jever> No
20:47 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: hi
20:47 <@[-oskar-]> :)
20:47 < C14r> [-oskar-]: Hi realy nice to read you!
20:47 < jever> Nobody made one
20:48 < C14r> jever: can you start one?
20:48 < C14r> my connection is somwhat unstable ...
20:48 < SammyWG> okay, so lets start with the current status. if jean-charles joins too, we'll get a second topic.
20:48 < C14r> I am C14r: Christian Kuelker
20:48 < C14r> who are SammyWG?
20:48 < jever> C14r: where?
20:49 * jever == Jürgen leibner
20:49 < C14r> jever: in the debian.org wiki
20:49 * [-oskar-] Xavier Oswald
20:49 < C14r> wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/...
20:49 -!- h3p [~h3p@blfd-d9bf0600.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #CipUX
20:49 * SammyWG Sammy Kummert
20:50 < C14r> Is Olivier_54 or skogmus around? And who are they?
20:50 < C14r> binar: Are you here?
20:50 < skogmus> Gjermund Skogstad from the Norweigan branch ... since 2001
20:51 < C14r> nice to meet you skogmus!
20:51 <@[-oskar-]> Olivier_54: <<-- Olivier Fontes, member of the french skolelinux team
20:51 < C14r> [-oskar-]: thank you!
20:51 -!- h3p is now known as h3p_background
20:51 < C14r> h3p_background: you can participate if you like :)
20:51 < skogmus> thanks
20:52 < h3p_background> thanks too
20:52 < C14r> h3p_background: still in the testcenter? Have you a suggestion? A toppic?
20:53 < k4x> C14r: yes we are here and Johanna too ;-)
20:53 < C14r> k4x: Greeting to Johanna, you should her teach chat
20:53 < C14r> ;-)
20:54 < h3p_background> no only listener
20:54 < C14r> h3p_background: ok
20:54 < k4x> C14r: in some minutes she has here on linux maschine and she knows to chat ;-)
20:54 < C14r> What als you would like to talk about?
20:54 < C14r> als=eles
20:54 < C14r> als=else (sorry)
20:55 < k4x> C14r: i have some questions, is somebody moderating here?
20:55 < jever> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/Meeting/20061005
20:55 < k4x> jever: tnx
20:55 < C14r> k4x: no not jet I would like to ask [-oskar-], or k4x ?
20:56 <@[-oskar-]> jever: will you do the log and write a summary ?
20:56 * jever does the log and the summery
20:57 < C14r> jever: nice page!
20:57 <@[-oskar-]> nice
20:57 < jever> only the template of the debian-security
20:58 < C14r> skogmus: SammyWG Olivier_54 what are your subjects for the talk?
20:58 <@[-oskar-]> jever: :)
20:58 * jever is on a WinXP maschine and is unable to log !
20:58 < C14r> k4x: can you log?
20:59 < SammyWG> C14r: subject is what about security issues in cipux and php stuff
20:59 < k4x> C14r: yes
20:59 < C14r> SammyWG: ok, add this to the page please
21:00 < C14r> whou would like to to the moderation?
21:00 < skogmus> C14r:I'm curius of your progress and hopes to get away with listening in to you guys ...
21:01 < C14r> skogmus: Can you be more precise?
21:01 < C14r> skogmus: or is this a toppic?
21:01 < k4x> C14r: i will moderate ok?
21:01 < C14r> k4x: ok, thank you!
21:02 < k4x> ok, should we start now?
21:02 < skogmus> C14r: no topic.
21:02 < C14r> skogmus: ok
21:02 < C14r> k4x: yes why not starting now
21:03 * k4x topic State of bringing CipUX into debian
21:04 < k4x> who likes to report? [-oskar-] ?
21:04 < jever> C14r: can you give us a statement?
21:04 <@[-oskar-]> I have something to go ahead
21:05 < jever> ack
21:05 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: what the state of the modification you made ? Is now cipux instalable ?
21:05 < C14r> [-oskar-]: you mean is 3.2.11?
21:05 <@[-oskar-]> yes
21:06 < k4x> 3.2.11 is running on SkoleLiveCd
21:06 < k4x> C14r: you have installed it
21:06 < C14r> k4x: Yes a pre version of it.
21:07 < C14r> k4x: is an enchanced 3.2.10
21:07 < k4x> ok
21:07 < C14r> So we should call it 3.2.12 to mak that clear an never release 3.2.11?
21:08 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: it would be nice if you can build a repository with the 3.2.12 version, we have a dev day sunday at forbach
so I will be able to test it
21:08 < C14r> 3.2.12 is not tested, so I need at least 12h to test that. There might be bugs.
21:09 <@[-oskar-]> ok
21:09 < C14r> [-oskar-]: ok, I can do that on suturday
21:09 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: I just need a version to test sunday
21:09 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: so take your time .. ;)
21:09 < jever> C14r: could you say something about bringing it into debian?
21:10 < C14r> [-oskar-]: ok, I willtake it . I think it could be stable at the end of the week for subset of features.
21:10 <@[-oskar-]> yeah ! :)
21:10 < k4x> jever: perhaps [-oskar-] should answer
21:10 < C14r> jever: I was doing the job of make the upstream.
21:10 <@[-oskar-]> I get an idea today :)
21:11 < C14r> Pepople with more Debian knowledge should answer here ...
21:11 < jever> [-oskar-]: tell us
21:11 < C14r> (more then me)
21:11 <@[-oskar-]> we have a perl team on alioth and a debian-perl list
21:11 < k4x> sounds good
21:11 <@[-oskar-]> I will ask on this list about feedback if cipux is ready to enter into debian :)
21:11 <@[-oskar-]> and maybe get more people involved ;)
21:12 < C14r> [-oskar-]: might work
21:12 < k4x> [-oskar-]: just build the package and ask on debian-edu for help
21:12 < C14r> k4x: yes this might be better
21:12 <@[-oskar-]> I will send on both lists
21:12 < C14r> [-oskar-]: I we ask then we will get new tasks ..
21:12 < k4x> Steffen and Petter are waiting
21:13 <@[-oskar-]> ok
21:13 <@[-oskar-]> the bad side is that the ftp-master team is not working very quickly :/
21:13 < C14r> [-oskar-]: We will get feedback and somthing to do from the package review anyway
21:13 <@[-oskar-]> and this team review the if the package can enter into unstable or not
21:13 < k4x> so we will have on sunday a debian cipux.deb ?
21:13 < C14r> [-oskar-]: yes that is why we should do it now, or not?
21:14 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: you know Joerg Jaspert ?
21:14 < k4x> yes
21:14 < Olivier_54> .
21:14 < k4x> should i ask for something? then please send an email to me
21:14 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: he is in the ftp-master team and can have a look to the package, he put my moodle package into unstable
21:14 < k4x> ok
21:15 < C14r> [-oskar-]: Can sompody else make a package review?
21:15 < k4x> lets first finish topic 1, somthing else to ask or to tell?
21:15 < C14r> [-oskar-]: Can sompody else also make a package review?
21:16 < C14r> k4x: ok
21:16 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: first me, then I will ask peter and steffen, then peter should upload it into the NEW queue and then Joerg
review it and put it into unstable. This is the way..
21:16 < k4x> next topic: what about security issues in cipux and php stuff
21:16 < k4x> [-oskar-]: ok, thanks!
21:16 < C14r> [-oskar-]: ok, thank you for writing the way! (intersting!, write that as TODO)
21:17 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: ok
21:17 < k4x> [-oskar-]: is Jeancharles around?
21:18 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: no news from him since 4weeks
21:18 < k4x> oh thats realy bad
21:18 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: he just began a new school year 5 days ago, that's only what I know
21:18 < k4x> so who is looking and emproving the cipuxPHP code?
21:19 <@[-oskar-]> .... :/
21:20 < Olivier_54> i can try if u want
21:20 < k4x> how could we manage this ?
21:20 < SammyWG> there is an small one-file-audit but i dunno much about the result of it
21:20 < k4x> Olivier_54: it really very important
21:20 < C14r> Olivier_54: thank you.
21:20 < C14r> SammyWG: where is it?
21:20 <@[-oskar-]> Olivier_54: can you come sunday at forbach and then I can show you the state of this tool..
21:20 < k4x> SammyWG: i fear nothing has happend with your audit
21:20 < SammyWG> C14r: was sent by the list to [-oskar-] i thought
21:20 < Olivier_54> sunday ??
21:21 < Olivier_54> hmmm
21:21 < Olivier_54> i can come at FORBACH
21:21 < C14r> SammyWG: ok, then I know it.
21:21 < SammyWG> two weeks ago if i remember right
21:21 < Olivier_54> [-oskar-], at emmaus ??
21:21 <@[-oskar-]> Olivier_54: yes 14h00
21:21 < C14r> SammyWG: yes
21:21 < k4x> [-oskar-]: can you send Olivier_54 teh code and the audit from SammyWG please?
21:22 < SammyWG> well i could audit the rest too, but i think there are much problems in design so i'd prefer a feedback for the
small audit first
21:22 < C14r> SammyWG: yes a agree
21:22 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: the code is in the svn and he knows where it is I think
21:23 < k4x> but important is to answer to the audit ;-)
21:23 < C14r> [-oskar-]: can you clean up the svn? I think the code is i twoo svn, right?
21:23 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: the latest version is in the debian-edu repository
21:23 < Olivier_54> [-oskar-], ok
21:24 <@[-oskar-]> Olivier_54: thanks :)
21:24 < C14r> [-oskar-]: so delete it from the cipux repository
21:24 <@[-oskar-]> C14r: the version in the cipux repository is deprecated
21:24 < k4x> Olivier_54: thanks from me too
21:24 < C14r> [-oskar-]: anyway, delete it then
21:24 < k4x> C14r: will you upload the tested 3.2.12 on saturday?
21:24 <@[-oskar-]> ok, I will do that
21:25 < C14r> k4x: yes on saturday evening
21:25 < k4x> C14r: thank you very much!
21:25 * k4x could we finish topic 2?
21:26 < SammyWG> do we have a deadline for feedback?
21:26 < C14r> [-oskar-]: thank you (it is important not to have old dangerous code in the rep)
21:26 < jever> who has access to the repository on debian-edu?
21:26 < C14r> jever: [-oskar-] me, ...
21:26 < k4x> jever: max
21:27 < SammyWG> (i dont have much time so i have to plan time for an audit)
21:27 < jever> SammyWG: do you need access?
21:27 < C14r> SammyWG: not that I know, but if Olivier_54 can send a feedback after sundeay would be great.
21:28 < SammyWG> jever: i only need read access for the rep, not write access. i only need the files itself for auditing source :)
21:28 < C14r> Olivier_54: can you send SammyWG the feedback und Sunday?
21:28 < k4x> Olivier_54: are you able to send feedback before Weekend?
21:28 < C14r> k4x: no bevor, at the weekend
21:29 < SammyWG> sending feedback til sunday is early enough (im out of net at the weekend)
21:29 < C14r> SammyWG: ok
21:29 < C14r> Olivier_54: can you do it?
21:29 < Olivier_54> i dont think i am able , i have to read the work of JeanCharles before
21:29 < Olivier_54> tomorow i cant
21:29 < Olivier_54> i have so this night and saturday
21:30 < C14r> Olivier_54: yes the idea was a answer on sunday
21:30 < k4x> Olivier_54: i think the audit from SammyWG should be read at the same time
21:30 < Olivier_54> where can i find it ??
21:30 < C14r> [-oskar-]: can you send him?
21:30 < k4x> ok, so we have an answer on sunday evening from [-oskar-] and Olivier_54 ? is that right?
21:31 <@[-oskar-]> tel sorry
21:31 < k4x> i like to switch to topic 3 is that ok now?
21:32 < k4x> so i start
21:32 * k4x topic: add possibility to write in objects moodle needs
21:32 < Olivier_54> ok so i have to send a feedback on sunday afternoon after my meeting with [-oskar-]
21:32 < k4x> Olivier_54: oui, merci beaucoup!
21:32 < SammyWG> Olivier_54: thank you very much :)
21:32 < Olivier_54> pas de quoi k4x
21:32 < Olivier_54> :)
21:32 < k4x> topic 3
21:32 < C14r> Olivier_54: Thank you!
21:33 < k4x> we had a meeting with the moodle guy in our testcenter
21:33 < k4x> there is a big chance for moodle and skolelinux if we are abel to have in cipux also the other
21:34 < k4x> objects writable moodle is using
21:34 < C14r> k4x: what you mean by that "objects writable moodle is using" ?
21:34 < k4x> there is a great interest from the moodle community to have a ldap tool as plugin
21:35 < k4x> at the moment in moodle we can read the conten, items or objects or how do you callit in ladap
21:35 <@[-oskar-]> Im back sorry
21:35 < k4x> sorry about my typos
21:35 < jever> k4x: can we read somewhere about that meeting?
21:36 < k4x> what moodle needs, is to be able to write also into ldap
21:36 < C14r> k4x: moodle can use a php binding (library) to do so
21:36 < k4x> i have put some info into the german wiki, i will check and write some more
21:36 < jever> k4x: fine
21:37 < SammyWG> there is no problem to embed ldap support via php, there is an extension for
21:37 < k4x> C14r: i do not understand?
21:37 < C14r> k4x: or moodle can use cipux-rpc
21:37 < SammyWG> C14r: does this make sense?
21:37 < C14r> k4x: everybody with knowledge and Access rights can write into the LDAP
21:37 < k4x> what are the advantages of cipux-rpc or php extension?
21:37 < C14r> SammyWG: I dont know
21:38 < C14r> k4x: first of all we should know WHAT they want to write into the LDAP, then we can discuss the how
21:38 < SammyWG> C14r: pro for cipux-rpc is a defined api for the call, on the other hand it slows down the request itself
21:39 < k4x> C14r: just look into the SkoleLiveCd
21:39 < C14r> SammyWG: yes, but computers getting faster ..
21:39 < C14r> k4x: Sorry no time
21:39 < k4x> C14r: you will see, what they need to read
21:39 < C14r> k4x: you say write not read
21:39 < SammyWG> and: moodle is not a cipux-tool so i dont see the must for bundling both cipux and moodle as a must for
implementing ldap backend
21:40 < SammyWG> probably im not familiar enough with backgrounds
21:40 < C14r> SammyWG: This is what I am asking
21:40 < k4x> SammyWG: moodle and cipux have similar aproche to admin users in roles like schools need
21:40 < C14r> k4x: ok
21:41 < SammyWG> k4x: but for slx only. not for using as standalone tools
21:41 < k4x> so it looks not to be a lot of work, but we should perhaps discuss this with the moodle guy
21:41 < C14r> Moodle has its own user administration, so if we install mooodle we have to accounts for ervery user, this must not be
21:41 < jever> SammyWG: right!
21:41 < SammyWG> C14r: okay, than i'd prefer a library that offers the user to choose if they want use cipux-rpc or direct ldap calls
21:42 < k4x> C14r: no, the moodle user administration is obsolet
21:42 < C14r> SammyWG: or the plain Moodle userdb
21:42 < SammyWG> C14r: yes
21:42 < C14r> k4x: why that?
21:43 < SammyWG> k4x: once more, only if you use moodle and cipux in slx context, not for using "in the wild"
21:43 < C14r> k4x: I I wnat install Moodle on Fedora, there is no Cipux on Fedorea rightnow
21:43 < k4x> sorry the moodle guy could not join this meeting today, but he will join next meeting
21:43 < k4x> he could explain it easier than i at the moment
21:43 < C14r> k4x: ok, then we should skipt that for the next meeting
21:44 < k4x> C14r: ok
21:44 < jever> k4x: ask him to write down in wiki what moodle needs in slx
21:44 < k4x> are there any questions more about this topic?
21:44 < jever> yes
21:45 < k4x> jever: yes, i will do this
21:45 < C14r> k4x: no, we are just guessing ..
21:45 < k4x> jever: ?
21:45 < jever> If I understood it right, cipux is the administration tool
21:45 < C14r> When there is need for the next meeting?
21:45 < jever> for debian in far?
21:45 < k4x> C14r: i would like to have it on sunday evening?
21:46 < jever> as standalone?
21:46 < C14r> k4x: for me it is ok
21:46 < k4x> jever: for CipUX and cipuxPHP
21:46 < jever> or only in junction with slx?
21:46 < C14r> Olivier_54: [-oskar-] is it ok for you?
21:47 < Olivier_54> its on way :)
21:47 < C14r> jever: the tecnical point is that it is only easyly installable under slc
21:47 < C14r> slc=slx
21:47 * k4x is next meeting on sunday evening ok for everybody? what time?
21:47 < C14r> jever: But it runs under Trustix, Suse, and why not Debian?
21:47 < jever> C14r: but it should be instalable under debian in far?
21:47 <@[-oskar-]> ok
21:48 < C14r> what is "in far"?
21:48 < SammyWG> i'd prefer monday
21:48 < jever> tomorrow, next week, ...
21:48 < C14r> SammyWG: good point,
21:48 < k4x> monday is ok for me too
21:48 <@[-oskar-]> Im free next week but not thuesday and not thursday
21:49 <@[-oskar-]> monday N
21:49 <@[-oskar-]> ok
21:49 < Olivier_54> SAY ok for next sunday
21:49 * k4x is next meeting on monday evening ok for everybody?
21:49 < SammyWG> yes
21:49 < C14r> jever: I if you gave me a week I will install it on Debian
21:49 < C14r> yes
21:49 <@[-oskar-]> k4x: ok 20h00 GMT+1
21:49 < Olivier_54> ok
21:49 < jever> ok
21:50 < skogmus> C14r: why isn't it installable on debian now?
21:50 < C14r> That is what in Berlin Time?
21:50 < C14r> skogmus: it is installable, but not by just apt-get
21:50 < skogmus> C14r: ok.
21:50 < k4x> C14r: UTC = CEST +2
21:50 < SammyWG> C14r: 1900 cest imo
21:50 < jever> http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc
21:51 < C14r> ok 1900
21:51 < jever> :-)
21:51 * k4x so thanks to all, next meetin on monday 2006-10-09 19h CEST
21:51 < C14r> When will the clock shift to wintertime?
21:51 < SammyWG> third october weekend, i think
21:52 < jever> IMHO end of october
21:52 < k4x> who is admin in this channel? please change topic to next meeting day and time
21:52 < C14r> ok then we are save
21:52 < k4x> who will write a summary?
21:52 < SammyWG> C14r: at a monday we are safe always :)
21:53 < C14r> jever: would you do it?
21:53 < k4x> jever: please?
21:53 < jever> k4x: put the log in wiki, then I'll write the summery
21:53 < k4x> ok, thanks a lot!
21:53 < C14r> Thank you for this productive meeting!
21:53 < k4x> so i will put done my moderation hat now, thanks to all!