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STATUS: Initial brainstorming on the topic of starting a Debian/Linux like distribution for ["BeOS"] (Debian/["BeOS"] or BeBian :), or CDD (Custom Debian Distribution) of Debian/Linux with OSBOS (Open Source Be Operating Systems) developments and customisations STATUS: Initial brainstorming on the topic of starting a Debian/Linux like distribution for [[BeOS]] (Debian/[[BeOS]] or BeBian :), or CDD (Custom Debian Distribution) of Debian/Linux with OSBOS (Open Source Be Operating Systems) developments and customisations
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In the past 2 years ["exBeOS"] userbase and developer community has dropted drasticly after the initial promisses for it's resurrection. ["YellowTAB"] currently only commercial distributor of ["BeOS"] codebase, is constantly delaying delivery of sucessor (packaged their own distribution named Zeta) of ["BeOS"] 5.03 - last official commercial release by Be Inc. before thay went down and later bought by Palm.
Simoultaneouslly several efforts were taken on by developers to re-live ["BeOS"]-like system in non-commercial forms:
 * ["OpenBeOS"] trying to do it from the scratch (using ["NewOS"] as kernel and BSD licencing) with a handfull of developers,
 * B.E.O.S trying to do it re-using Linux code like ["XFree86"] and replicate functionality of ["BeOS"] API on top of it (originaly BSD, but recently switching to GNU/GPL, ) - mostly developted by Guillaume Maillard with some assistance of few people,
 * BeFree doing a Linux implementation of ["BeOS"] API relaying on existing standards like ["DirectFB"] and X11 - developted by Pier Luigi Fiorini,
 * COSMOE started as ambitious new ground-up project that recently also switched to the Linux and is syncing with ["OpenBeOS"], developted almost exclusivly by Bill Hayden.		 In the past 2 years [[exBeOS]] userbase and developer community has dropted drasticly after the initial promisses for it's resurrection. [[YellowTAB]] currently only commercial distributor of [[BeOS]] codebase, is constantly delaying delivery of sucessor (packaged their own distribution named Zeta) of [[BeOS]] 5.03 - last official commercial release by Be Inc. before thay went down and later bought by Palm.
Simoultaneouslly several efforts were taken on by developers to re-live [[BeOS]]-like system in non-commercial forms:
 * [[OpenBeOS]] trying to do it from the scratch (using [[NewOS]] as kernel and BSD licencing) with a handfull of developers,
 * B.E.O.S trying to do it re-using Linux code like [[XFree86]] and replicate functionality of [[BeOS]] API on top of it (originaly BSD, but recently switching to GNU/GPL, ) - mostly developted by Guillaume Maillard with some assistance of few people,
 * BeFree doing a Linux implementation of [[BeOS]] API relaying on existing standards like [[DirectFB]] and X11 - developted by Pier Luigi Fiorini,
 * COSMOE started as ambitious new ground-up project that recently also switched to the Linux and is syncing with [[OpenBeOS]], developted almost exclusivly by Bill Hayden.
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 * ["BeUNITED"] - USA registered 503 Non-profit orgainsation established with slightly vague idea to mediate early development efforts and setup standards that would be followed across different implementations, currently hosts for donnated (mostly abandonware).
 * ["BeCLAN"] - non-registered organisation for support of ["BeOS"] developers and future coders.		  * [[BeUNITED]] - USA registered 503 Non-profit orgainsation established with slightly vague idea to mediate early development efforts and setup standards that would be followed across different implementations, currently hosts for donnated (mostly abandonware).
 * [[BeCLAN]] - non-registered organisation for support of [[BeOS]] developers and future coders.
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 * Away from major developments aspiration is project ["BeOSMAX"], which is distribution of last ["BeOS"] Personal Edition 5.03 with a number of tweaks, customisations, patches, drivers and big software bundle - currently in version 3, with no long term plans as it is relaying on Zeta prospects.
 * ["MiniBeOS"] was produced by same project, with aim of distributing minimum of ["BeOS"] system for basic functionality stripped down of all add-ons.
 * ["ReOS"] - distribution sytem for Debian-like system maintainance for future non-propertary ["BeOS"] code and applications 		 * Away from major developments aspiration is project [[BeOSMAX]], which is distribution of last [[BeOS]] Personal Edition 5.03 with a number of tweaks, customisations, patches, drivers and big software bundle - currently in version 3, with no long term plans as it is relaying on Zeta prospects.
 * [[MiniBeOS]] was produced by same project, with aim of distributing minimum of [[BeOS]] system for basic functionality stripped down of all add-ons.
 * [[ReOS]] - distribution sytem for Debian-like system maintainance for future non-propertary [[BeOS]] code and applications
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Aside from these efforts there was a brief attempt of establishing ["BeOS"] low-compatibility but high aspirations sytem called Siquel, that was abandond after a few months, as well as much more sucessfull ["SkyOS"] which is rapidly growing commercial operating system that bares some resamblance to ["BeOS"] and usess a lot of code from free implementation of Be File System - ["OpenBFS"]. Aside from these efforts there was a brief attempt of establishing [[BeOS]] low-compatibility but high aspirations sytem called Siquel, that was abandond after a few months, as well as much more sucessfull [[SkyOS]] which is rapidly growing commercial operating system that bares some resamblance to [[BeOS]] and usess a lot of code from free implementation of Be File System - [[OpenBFS]].
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In respect to these recent (lack of) developments and market position it would be interesting to bring these individual projects into some kind of reusable and modular system (highly possible consindering high modularity of ["BeOS"]). In respect to these recent (lack of) developments and market position it would be interesting to bring these individual projects into some kind of reusable and modular system (highly possible consindering high modularity of [[BeOS]]).
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Considering development already done by Robin Bandy with [["ReOS"] http://www.5sight.net/reos/] and recent interest of BeClan for re-initiating interest for doing a [http://www.beclan.org/incubator/index.php/PackagerAndInstallerTool packager and Installer tool]. Considering development already done by Robin Bandy with [[[ReOS]] http://www.5sight.net/reos/] and recent interest of BeClan for re-initiating interest for doing a [[http://www.beclan.org/incubator/index.php/PackagerAndInstallerTool|packager and Installer tool]].
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 * ["ReiserFS"] 4 (most close to BFS concepts of database-like file system) is stabilizing
 * third generation of custom distributions (like KNOPPIX and DeMuDi) are maturing and targeting specific desktop users - while building on features similar to those of ["BeOS"], there could finally be enough interest in Linux community to focus on some of the clear concepts of ["BeOS"] API.		  * [[ReiserFS]] 4 (most close to BFS concepts of database-like file system) is stabilizing
 * third generation of custom distributions (like KNOPPIX and DeMuDi) are maturing and targeting specific desktop users - while building on features similar to those of [[BeOS]], there could finally be enough interest in Linux community to focus on some of the clear concepts of [[BeOS]] API.

STATUS: Initial brainstorming on the topic of starting a Debian/Linux like distribution for ?BeOS (Debian/?BeOS or ?BeBian :), or CDD (Custom Debian Distribution) of Debian/Linux with OSBOS (Open Source Be Operating Systems) developments and customisations

dea.BeBian = Debian for BeOS

In the past 2 years ?exBeOS userbase and developer community has dropted drasticly after the initial promisses for it's resurrection. ?YellowTAB currently only commercial distributor of ?BeOS codebase, is constantly delaying delivery of sucessor (packaged their own distribution named Zeta) of ?BeOS 5.03 - last official commercial release by Be Inc. before thay went down and later bought by Palm. Simoultaneouslly several efforts were taken on by developers to re-live ?BeOS-like system in non-commercial forms:

  • ?OpenBeOS trying to do it from the scratch (using ?NewOS as kernel and BSD licencing) with a handfull of developers,

  • B.E.O.S trying to do it re-using Linux code like XFree86 and replicate functionality of ?BeOS API on top of it (originaly BSD, but recently switching to GNU/GPL, ) - mostly developted by Guillaume Maillard with some assistance of few people,

  • ?BeFree doing a Linux implementation of ?BeOS API relaying on existing standards like ?DirectFB and X11 - developted by Pier Luigi Fiorini,

  • COSMOE started as ambitious new ground-up project that recently also switched to the Linux and is syncing with ?OpenBeOS, developted almost exclusivly by Bill Hayden.

Organisations:

  • ?BeUNITED - USA registered 503 Non-profit orgainsation established with slightly vague idea to mediate early development efforts and setup standards that would be followed across different implementations, currently hosts for donnated (mostly abandonware).

  • ?BeCLAN - non-registered organisation for support of ?BeOS developers and future coders.

Distributions:

  • Away from major developments aspiration is project ?BeOSMAX, which is distribution of last ?BeOS Personal Edition 5.03 with a number of tweaks, customisations, patches, drivers and big software bundle - currently in version 3, with no long term plans as it is relaying on Zeta prospects.

  • ?MiniBeOS was produced by same project, with aim of distributing minimum of ?BeOS system for basic functionality stripped down of all add-ons.

  • ?ReOS - distribution sytem for Debian-like system maintainance for future non-propertary ?BeOS code and applications

Related:

Aside from these efforts there was a brief attempt of establishing ?BeOS low-compatibility but high aspirations sytem called Siquel, that was abandond after a few months, as well as much more sucessfull ?SkyOS which is rapidly growing commercial operating system that bares some resamblance to ?BeOS and usess a lot of code from free implementation of Be File System - ?OpenBFS.

Context:

In respect to these recent (lack of) developments and market position it would be interesting to bring these individual projects into some kind of reusable and modular system (highly possible consindering high modularity of ?BeOS).

Considering development already done by Robin Bandy with ?[ReOS http://www.5sight.net/reos/] and recent interest of ?BeClan for re-initiating interest for doing a packager and Installer tool.

With the hope that development will take of faster as:

  • all 4 development projects are operating as Open Source projects,
  • Linux kernel of 2.6 branch (with more preemptive support) is maturing

  • ?ReiserFS 4 (most close to BFS concepts of database-like file system) is stabilizing

  • third generation of custom distributions (like KNOPPIX and ?DeMuDi) are maturing and targeting specific desktop users - while building on features similar to those of ?BeOS, there could finally be enough interest in Linux community to focus on some of the clear concepts of ?BeOS API.

ISSUES:

  • to join Debian officialy or use principles and technologies?
    • benefits could be big exsposure
    • shortcomings - extra administration to handle in slow and often conservative Debian
  • which of the development projects will be willing to join/compromise with other projects and actually collaborate on development on new Custom Debian Distro?
    • seems that B.E.O.S had most developers, but least code
  • how to distribute non-free code in thid distro?
    • this could be discussed with Debian developers