1 17:01 -!- pere [~pere@cm-84.208.120.161.chello.no] has joined #debian-edu
   2 17:01  * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
   3 17:02 < pere> sorry for being late.
   4 17:02  * h01ger = Holger Levsen
   5 17:02 < h01ger> pere, you're the first and starting the meeting :)
   6 17:02 < pere> oh
   7 17:03 < h01ger> s/the first/in time/ - sepski joined 10min or so ago
   8 17:03 < sepski> ?? isnt it 20:00 ??
   9 17:03 < sepski> i just turned on the computer... :)
  10 17:04 < pere> topic says 17:00 UTC, and that is 19:00 norwegian time, aka 4 minutes ago.
  11 17:04 < h01ger> 17 utc, thats 19 cest. but on wiki.skolelinux.de also 18 utc was mentioned, i fixed it this noon to 17 utc..
  12 17:04 < pere> there is a cipux meeting 18:00 UTC.
  13 17:04 < pere> h01ger: ouch.  did not know that.
  14 17:04  * sepski = Ronny Aasen
  15 17:05 < pere> so, should we hold the meeting with the three of us?
  16 17:06 < pere> who moderates, who write the summary and who collect the log.  no use continuing before that is set.  I can moderate.
  17 17:06 < h01ger> we could wait an hour and enter the cipux meeting :) /me looks at the agenda now to give a better answer :)
  18 17:06  * h01ger can collect the log
  19 17:06 < sepski> looking at the agenda there realy is not much change since yesterday i assume
  20 17:06 < pere> well, we do know a bit more. :)
  21 17:07 < pere> and the summary from the meetings are for those not present, for example those not present yesterday either.
  22 17:07 < sepski> well i can do the summary then , and lets do it quickly, since i have kids that (don't) want to go to bed 
  23 17:08  * h01ger nods
  24 17:08 -!- pere has changed the topic to Meeting: topic: Status of etch
  25 17:08 < h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Etch is up2date?
  26 17:08 < pere> h01ger: not completely, I believe.
  27 17:08  * h01ger just updated it but saving takes ages
  28 17:09 < sepski> pere, the purpose of the NMU was to add the comma support in the packages part. 
  29 17:09 < sepski> i tested that local and it seamed to work, strange our cd did not
  30 17:09 < pere> for example, I belive the unstable cd build is "fixed", at least it isn't unstable any more.  now it should fail more spectacularly.
  31 17:09  * h01ger nods
  32 17:10 < h01ger> we could also try to set SOURCE=1 to get a source-cd
  33 17:10 < pere> h01ger: we could.   who got time to check the content of the source CD?
  34 17:11 < pere> as you probably noticed, I enabled the graphical installation as the default.  It seem to break a few packages.  I am unable to see the error message, as qemu do not allow me to switch away from tty1.
  35 17:12 < h01ger> pere, i could. for i in "pkglist" ; do find /source-cd -name "*$i*" ; done - right?! :)
  36 17:12 < h01ger> pere, i belief you can switch with alt-arrow-left+right
  37 17:12 < h01ger> believe even
  38 17:12 < pere> h01ger: only in text mode, not in graphical mode. :(
  39 17:13 < h01ger> hu
  40 17:13 < pere> h01ger: you would have to map the binary package names to source package names first.
  41 17:13 < sepski> i can check those errors next time i install. 
  42 17:13 < h01ger> pere, ah, right. thats a bit harder. so i say "no" as i want to finish my taken tasks first...
  43 17:13 < pere> as I see it, there are two errors blocking us from releasing test02.  libnss-ldap, and the broken ltsp install.
  44 17:14 < pere> are there others?
  45 17:14 < h01ger> (why) can we take sysvinit from unstable to fix libnss-ldap?
  46 17:15 < pere> h01ger: we could, but I am reluctant to divert from etch for such important package.
  47 17:15 < pere> I am splitting the status list into three, fatal, important and annoying.
  48 17:15 < sepski> the ltsp install breaks becouse my patch is not actualy included in the NMU. 
  49 17:16 < h01ger> so we'll have to wait for the fix in etch..
  50 17:16 < sepski> bzr tricked me again
  51 17:16 < sepski> ill upload again in a few houers
  52 17:17 < pere> h01ger: well, we could NMU libnss-ldap.
  53 17:18 < h01ger> pere, i thought the patch wont work without a newer sysvinit (though i havent looked at the patch)
  54 17:18 < pere> I can have a look at that, but it will have to wait.
  55 17:19 < pere> h01ger: that is correct, so we need to come up with a different patch.
  56 17:19 < pere> I marked the two blockers fatal, and spread the rest into important and annoying.  probably got the latters wrong.
  57 17:20 < pere> any more to say on the etch status?
  58 17:21 < h01ger> no. good idea to clean up / mark the bugs on the status page!
  59 17:21 < pere> I proposed earlier that we should test rc1 now, to see if the problems we have noticed in beta3 is fixed there or not.  anyone interested in doing that?
  60 17:21 < h01ger> rc1 is not available yet. or do you mean the dailys?
  61 17:22 < sepski> i am testing the dailys
  62 17:22 < pere> h01ger: I mean the dailys, yes.
  63 17:23  * h01ger will mostly have to work for money this week... :( i wont take more than i already have.
  64 17:23  * pere will have to focus on the NUUG prize this week and next week, so I can't promise anything either.
  65 17:24 -!- pere has changed the topic to Meeting: topic: useradmin problem and solution (webmin is removed...)
  66 17:24 < sepski> ill have to handle the kids now. ill write summary from the log afterwards. upload ltsp and check libnss again, since i got it working on my test with minor corrections
  67 17:24 < pere> any news on the user admin stuff?  as holger said this weekend, we need to make a decision soon, and start focusing the work.
  68 17:25 < pere> the cipux meeting start in 35 minutes.  it might be useful to talk to them about it.  It is a sad that none of that team participate in this meeting.
  69 17:26 < h01ger> pere, can you join #cipux?
  70 17:26 -!- pere has changed the topic to Meeting: topic: #311188 - editing other packages files
  71 17:26 < pere> h01ger: I can't.  when this meeting is done, I have to run.
  72 17:27 < h01ger> ok. so i will continue to play the bad guy^w^w^wbe the nice guy and help them :)
  73 17:28 < pere> I believe our best strategy to fix the RC bug in debian-edu-config is to reduce the editing in debian-edu-config to a bare minimum, and then focus on solving the problem for the remaining few packages.
  74 17:28 < pere> is it time to remove everything woody and sarge related from the source?
  75 17:28 < pere> it could make it easier to see what remains
  76 17:28 < h01ger> ack on the strategy and i would say so
  77 17:29 < pere> and for every edit left, we evaluate and see if it is really needed, or if we can drop it.
  78 17:29  * h01ger nods
  79 17:30 < h01ger> winnie has done some work on it, maybe he can pick it up again? (hint hint highlight :)
  80 17:30 < pere> this will be a lot of hard word.  dropping the obsolete code is probably fairly easy, evaluating what is left will take more time
  81 17:30 < pere> that would be great.  
  82 17:31 < pere> any more anyone want to say on that topic?
  83 17:31 < pere> any other topics anyone want to cover during this meeting?
  84 17:31 < h01ger> there has been activity on the munin-bug of that bug. (luk and the maintainer)
  85 17:31 < h01ger> (yesterday)
  86 17:32 < pere> any estimate for a fix?
  87 17:32 < pere> should we just drop sysklogd and use a better syslogd?  Are there any preseedable syslogd available?
  88 17:33  * h01ger pings Joey again. i think its better to stay with debians syslogd. and for etch debian will stay with syslogd
  89 17:33 < pere> any more comments before we close this meeting?  When is the next meeting?
  90 17:34 < sepski> *quick read of the backlog* lets not wait too long for the next meeting. 
  91 17:35 < pere> 2 weeks?  3 weeks?
  92 17:35 < sepski> 2 is ok by me, 
  93 17:35 < sepski> but lets make sure we announce it properly 
  94 17:35 < pere> 2006-10-30?
  95 17:35 < h01ger> for the #cipux-meeting: what is our general release plan? release ASAP after debian-etch? or?
  96 17:35 < pere> h01ger: asap after etch, yes.
  97 17:36 < pere> as soon as our stuff is working properly. :)
  98 17:36 < sepski> should we test upgradeabillity, or dont we care about that ? 
  99 17:36 < h01ger> we should, cause we care?! :)
 100 17:36 < pere> sepski: we should test upgradability, but I doubt we have enough people to do it.
 101 17:37 < h01ger> ask on the user lists
 102 17:37 < h01ger> we can...
 103 17:37 < pere> yeah
 104 17:37 < pere> there should at least be a documented migration plan from sarge- to etch-based debian-edu.
 105 17:38 < pere> but as we want people to use online resizable ext3 file systems etc, I suspect reinstall is required.
 106 17:38 < pere> it can't be safely added to existing file systems.
 107 17:39 < pere> ok, enough monologues from me.  I declear this meeting to be over.  see you all in 2 weeks. :)
 108 17:39 < h01ger> is that so important? i mean, it would ensure people test their backups (if they would need to reinstall)
 109 17:39 < h01ger> cu :)
 110 17:40 < pere> bring my greetings to the cipux people, and try to get them to understand our requirements.
 111 17:40 -!- pere has changed the topic to Next meeting on October 30th, 17 UTC, see <URL:http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting> | test daily build for test02
 112 17:43 < pere> sepski: btw, please post the text of the summary to debian-edu@, not the link.  It should make more people read the summary.